Ask Slashdot: What Are Some Methods To Stop Digital Surveillance In Schools?
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Ask Slashdot: What Are Some Methods To Stop Digital Surveillance In Schools?
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When in school, follow the rules.
Another tactic is to vote for officials who share your concerns.
It's crazy, my company does the same thing with the laptops they provide to us! When will this Orwellian nightmare end?;-) jk
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I had hoped, at least here on Slashdot, to find a few like-minded folks. Instead it feels like most people just saying "keep your head down, don't rock the boat, support the Man." Truly depressing!
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I'm with you. That "when in school, follow the rules" comment by CaptainDork is wrong-headed for a couple of reasons. The first one is that schools are taxpayer funded, and those rules should ultimately be approved or rejected by those taxpayers, specifically the parents of schoolkids.
The second reason? Well, it's bloody dangerous to be teaching kids that when it comes to constant surveillance and privacy invasion, it's a good thing and they have no choice anyway. Not to mention that it's part and parcel of
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I suspect it won't last. The devices, presumably tablets &/or laptops/Chromebooks, will get broken so often in classrooms, kids' backpacks, etc., that the cost of maintaining them will outweigh any perceived benefit of "going digital." The other thing is that education research which is ecologically valid (i.e. in real world classrooms under real world conditions) so far has consistently shown an inverse correlation between IT use in the classroom & learning outcomes/academic achievement. In other w
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yes but what will you say when someone refuses to 'trust the scien*tist*' and close their business etc, the next time St. Anthony says so...
The simple fact is public school has become to controversial to be effective in their mission to educate.
Tax payers need to fund and ensure that everyone has access to an education but we need to do away with public schools and probably with public universities. Parents and pupils need to be able to chose an institution that aligns with their values and teaches topics t
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well, uh, if they are school issued devices, then the school owns some level of responsibility for their security and such... Imagine, if you will, a world wherein some teen may be (heaven forbid) on a sex site having lied about his age, you the parent find out and then you realize the SCHOOL DISTRICT has beaucoup bux. One lawsuit later and viola! the school district has to defund something because their budget got a big hit from a lawsuit...
I know, it sounds like that would never happen, anywhere, but...
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May I ask a question? Do you consider the phone you bought with a 2 year plan that pays for the phone a phone you "own"? Or does that phone belong to the phone company, at least until the 2 years are over and you paid for it?
Asking for a fri... phone company.
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Got no answers that you have to try to bury it?
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It's a mortgage. You own it unless you default. They (the phone cos) agree to those terms also.
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Maaaaaaybe you'd like to read that contract again. Hint: That's not how it is. Quite normally, the clause says "it's our property until you paid in full". Not the other way 'round.
And what I do with my property, and what kind of crapware I put on it, is my business. Yes, even if I let you play with it.
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And just like that, it isn't like a mortgage... A mortgage grants the lender (mortgagee) an interest, expressed as a lien, and of course they can assume ownership if the mortgager defaults, for instance. That's why, in the US, you normally get a deed, typically fee simple absolute title, when you take out a mortgage and buy a house. You buy it with the proceeds from the lender.
Now, when the school give your kid a computer, read the agreement. If they own it and you're responsible for damage and return, unle
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Why did we move away from buying a device on installments?
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Did we? Most if not all of the 'free' offers are actually installment plans, using statement credits to offset the payment, making it free as in beer. If you cancel or discontinue service or default, you are liable for the balance due.
We did not move away from installments as much as some think. Just repainted as something else.
Me? I've bought my last three phones outright, and took a price break for my wife's last two on installment/plans. We use our phones differently.
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Anyway. The point is, until it is paid in full, it's technically the property of the phone company, and according to you, this would entitle them to put whatever they want on that phone and you couldn't even complain about it.
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If it's in the terms and conditions, yeah. Aren't we glad we learned to read when we were in school? At least we'll know why the ads are so prolific...
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So we can finally agree on you not owning that phone until you paid it in full, because that was the original question...
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Of course we can. You won. You were correct. Well done.
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Fine.
So back on topic, you think that's how it should be?
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Well, again, if the terms & conditions state that your activity is subject to surveillance, you accept or reject,. If you accept, you're in.
'Should'? Knowing too many public schools spend too much time on things other than basic instruction, as a foundation for broad and useful general knowledge, I'm not very happy they take time and money to surveil students' activities on these devices, whomever owns them. But a reasonable level of monitoring is necessary, I think.
Our public schools do, in general hav
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To bring this back onto a constructive level, I think schools are way too busy to cover their (legal) asses these days. We have to monitor everything so we cannot be sued. That's the core of the problem.
Do we need to watch what our kids do? Well, kinda. But the way it's done is wrong. Because kids ain't stupid, no matter what we think. They quickly figure out that we use those devices to spy on them and will look like they're all just prayer, puppies and hugs on them, while using other devices to escape us.
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If it's not constructive to focus on basic instruction first, and perhaps by that reducing the legal jeopardy that seems to be affecting our public schools, then it's not constructive to think about any of this at all. I'm not an outlier in this. Our schools are failing to educate our children in the basic necessary knowledge to be functional members of our society. I'm not just making this up, I see the results of it day after day. And not just the occasional anecdotal example, it's way too common. If you
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If you want to discuss the basic problems of our schools, yes, we have WAY more serious concerns when it comes to the ability of our schools to teahc proper basic skills than some technology. I will certainly not challenge that.
Quite the opposite.
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"if you don't own or control something why the hell do oyu think you have the right to dictate how it is used or monitored"
And there we have the use case for a myriad of hacking and cracking efforts, for purposes best not further explored here.
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An option kids generally don't have with schools.
If they did, a lot of schools would most certainly be empty.
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WHOOOSH!
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