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Twelve US Senators Back Giving Commerce Secretary New Powers To Ban TikTok
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How does an app or website impact national security? I mean, yes, if Senators post their secrets on TikTok, fine, but otherwise, that's a pretty big stretch, and their complaints basically are the modern equivalent of "All these kids with their [x] are losers and need to get off my lawn."
All these Senators are out of touch, and need to get off the Senate floor.
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Well, no. Well, actually, first of all just surfing the site they can glean a terrifying amount of psychological profiling info from you just based on stuff like your mouse movements or what you spend time watching, but gathering data from you... that's not the limit of the threat. The real threat comes from the narrative they can construct about reality by just choosing what to show you. Even if you know they're doing it that doesn't make you completely immune to it, and it can affect you even if you someh
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Oh, and incidentally, if you really can use TikTok without feeding it any information (which is laughable), everyone in the country would have to have the same level of intelligence and self-discipline as you for it to be any real protection against the population as a whole being effectively psychologically manipulated.
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The whole point is that America needs to have an enemy and is a bit short of one right now.
Recently you had Iraq and Afghanistan but they had become less than useful lately so China is the new one.
As an enemy China has a couple of advantages, the best one of which it has a fairly brutal authoritarian government. The disadvantage is that China is way too big and powerful to ever actually attack, even for America. They are also integrated into the global economy, so plenty of American shareholders would l-
It's looking more and more like that June 8, 1949 book...
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Good, because so far, that's a purely hypothetical threat that has no obvious downside. There really aren't meaningful national security concerns from some foreign entity knowing that some random person likes watching videos of cats or whatever, because of the limited ability to leverage that information to manipulate people.
And still this is not an obvious national security threat unless you start to see them featuring videos promoting the overthrow of the government or something. I mean yes, ostensibly,
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A very naive view. see: cambridge analytica scandal
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I've read about the scandal, and I have yet to see any actual evidence that it had any actual impact, with the exception of monetary losses from settling the resulting lawsuits.
Besides, PsyOps doesn't require a willing social network. You could do that on pretty much any existing social network just as easily. All you need are billions of people who share every story that confirms their world view without giving any of them careful scrutiny. The flaw isn't the social networks. The flaw is us.
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They literally used treason to throw an election. It's kinda a big deal, dude.
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Who is "they"? CA is a research firm that provides data to anybody willing to pay them. And what election, and what treason? [Citation needed]
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The 2016 election of course. Treason: selling private information illegally to our enemies. It's all in the lawsuit. Citation not needed. Where have you been for the past decade? Mars?
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Hair-splitting drivel. I was at the Satanic orgy where they planned it all with the help of the Russian mafia.
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> Well, no. Well, actually, first of all just surfing the site they can glean a terrifying amount of psychological profiling info from you just based on stuff like
Apply the laws equally. If this is a real problem then apply it to facebook and instagram and twitter.
If you aren't worried about US companies with these powers then it isn't a real problem.
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But I specifically mentioned Facebook because I frankly think they should ban it too. Did you not read my whole statement?
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you might as well just ban the news media and libraries, and email and sms. They all contain a lot of dangerous information and misinformation.
At some point, people are going to have to be educated properly from early youth to develop their own personal armor against faulty or distorted information produced with intent by other humans and groups of humans. There is no other fundamental solution.
Maybe we need a new round of updated Grimm's fairy tales, to warn of the many ways of being misled, and the conse
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I think by now we all understand social media algorithms are pretty powerful tools for opinion shaping.
I think by now we can all recognize something has happened in our society where the level of discord and fundamental assumptions about motives have shifted. We used to afford even the people we vehemently disagreed with in this country the assumption their motives were what they said they are and that they wanted to bright future for their fellow citizens.
I think its clear social media and messaging has pl
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I've posted this video before, but it's still relevant... [youtube.com]
1. The algorithm they use on Western audiences is completely different from the one used in Asia. To wit, TikTok is tame in Asia. It is woker than woke in the West because it's designed to push insanity on young Westerners as part of a psyop.
2. The app has certain features baked into it that security researchers are finding to be scary WRT it being a malware delivery platform to mobile devices.In other words, the CCP is legitimately brainwashing Ameri
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What is your definition of woke?
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I believe the official Republican position, via DeSantis's attorney Ryan Newman, is: "The belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them."
Also can I say how depressing it is that a bunch of allegations backed up by a fucking YouTube Video that are worded to mean something terrible but don't actually is modded to the roof right now?
A social network has a different algorithm for different countries you say? Gosh, how could that happen in our entirely monocultural pl
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The original definition was "To be aware of systemic racism present in society."
The right-wing politicians then co-opted it to mean "Content intended to redress discrimination against any minority group."
The right-wing electorate, however, frequently considers it to mean "Anything that makes me feel uncomfortable as a straight cisgender white person.", and also sometimes "I lack the critical thinking skills necessary to criticize a form of entertainment based upon its literary merits and feel the need to in
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It's the same argument that 1950s adults argued about rock'n'roll corrupting the youth.
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the CCP is legitimately brainwashing American kids and convincing millions of people to install an app
So brainwash them otherwise.
Every single time someone says something we don't like, the best response is to counter the erroneous speech with wiser speech. Why would this app be a special case, where government has to draw their loaded gun and point it at their own citizens' faces, instead of simply telling those citizens "installing that might be a bad idea"?
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You're ignoring the fact that the content Americans are watching on TikTok, is being created by other Americans. TikTok is basically just an automated version of the same sort of echo chambers you find elsewhere on the internet. The only difference between it and how Reddit works, is that the downmodding for not following the groupthink in a specific sub is performed by actual humans.
Pushing groupthink isn't exclusive to TikTok. YouTube for some reason still thinks I'm interested in watching right-wing c
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Geopolitical politics go much deeper than it looks on the surface. Lets say a war were to happen (god forbid) between china and the US , Russo China Alliance vs NATO what have you TikTok could and would most likely would be used rot spread lies about the conflict. Pro Chinese propaganda and Anti war propaganda. Suddenly "Just an app" is now a tool of Phycological warfare.
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Lets say a war were to happen (god forbid) between china and the US..
That may be worth talking about in the event of war, But war has not happened yet. Until such time as it does - Free Speech is a fundamental right in the US, and has no exception in peace time.
That fundamental liberty includes tools used to spread speech - Does not matter whether it is propaganda or not. You can no more ban an app publisher than you can ban distribution of books of foreign origin - In fact, they are all supposed
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Sadly there is a tinderbox that could set it off that tinderbox is Taiwan which is turning into a a rather bad issue https://www.economist.com/spec... [economist.com] in fact the President has promised to come to Taiwan's aid if china were to invade. https://www.reuters.com/world/... [reuters.com] the situation in fact is so questionable that Japan is taking steps to rearm itself https://www.reuters.com/world/... [reuters.com]
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How would a war between the US and China even happen? Do you think two nuclear-armed giants whose economies are completely intertwined are suddenly going to start shooting at each other?
Where would the war be fought? China have no way of getting troops to America, so America invades China?
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It happens via proxy with NATO against Russia (in some ways we might already be fighting China on the battlefield). Or in Taiwan and the oceans surrounding Taiwan.
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No it doesn't.
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posted this in another thread on the topic, but what a horrible, horrible idea.
from a legal standpoint, how do they expect to firmly and concretely define the tiktok app?
>company changes the name of the app
>company offloads it onto a shell company
>company changes their name
etc etc, every single time some silly little politicians overreach, a loophole is devised to circumvent it (invariably leading to another god damn rule/law/regulation)
laws and legislation explicitly crafted to whack one specific -
How does an app or website impact national security? I mean, yes, if Senators post their secrets on TikTok, fine, but otherwise, that's a pretty big stretch, and their complaints basically are the modern equivalent of "All these kids with their [x] are losers and need to get off my lawn."
All these Senators are out of touch, and need to get off the Senate floor.
There are multiple methods for spying. One is intercepting communications and directly observing target information. That's likely rare on non-secure channels. Another method is casting a wide net for information that can be mined. Mining can be for the target information, but it can also be for social mining, i.e., looking for information that indicates who is vulnerable and how that person can be targeted. For example, identifying people with access to target information along with their social network and correlating that with vulnerability information such as financial/medical/mental/family/ideological/etc. struggles/affinities/etc. This social information can then be used to compromise, blackmail, or recruit individuals.
Intelligence mining has been greatly facilitated with recent advances in AI and ML, so it's arguably a greater concern now than many decades ago when mining was more manual. Finding the needle in the haystack for spying is easier now.
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