USB Kills Off SuperSpeed Branding as It Tries To Simplify Its Ubiquitous Connect...

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• Re: USB-L

  Ludicrous speed!

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  You can buy USB-C connectors with a maglock today; just remember to count the rings inside the connector -- somehow 95% of listings are power only, with not a mention in the description.

  The round part sticks a bit from the port which is unwieldy on some devices, depending on how you hold them.

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  Yes it is a mess [youtu.be]. If they had gone with three wires (ground, power, and optical) a lot of the current problems would have been circumvented.

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  I think that they should just do like HTML and give up trying to name things.

  Just call it "USB", and say it's a "living standard". No version numbers, no releases, just random changes.

  If you plug something in, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. Who knows?

  If you run into a problem, just stop worrying about it and find another pastime, preferably something outdoors that doesn't involve electronics. You'll feel better, and have USB to thank for it.

• I think the problem is that there are multiple modes for each USB "version" so calling it 4.2 doesn't explain whether this is the one that's "full speed" or "high speed" (to recall a previous naming debacle.)

  More obvious would be something describing the features, eg:

  USB [version] [connector type] to [connector type] [speed] for cables, eg:

  USB 4.0 A-C 1Gbps

  USB- for connectors:

  USB-C 4.0 1Gbps PD/Alt Mode DP/Thunderbolt

  Not as catchy, but I can tell at a glance what I can plug into what.

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    For USB3 I think a key point was to make it clear which port supported it and which didn't, to the consumer. Ie, my old computer had some on the front panel that were USB3 and some that were USB2. And it was not obvious which were which, until I'd bend down with a flashlight and look for either a marking on the case or to see the blue vs white board. New computer (this week) has SS stamped on them all, and on the back panel (the hard one to see) there are still some USB2 ports (keyboard/mouse) and the ot

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    Tell at what glance? You are proposing needing to read an entire novel on the side of ever laptop. Simple logos are needed. There isn't the space nor the will power by manufacturers to write an entire manual on the sides of their devices.

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    How about calling it, "USB, fast as of 2022". If you encounter a cable that says "fast as of 2019", then you know the cable is likely slower. That was the whole reason behind the Windows naming scheme for years, and it generally worked. Meanwhile, I have no idea which edition of Windows 10 I'm running.

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    Or, they can acknowledge that having optional features in a "universal" connector is a bad idea, and just roll a single set of features into something called USB5. Which intentionally conflates the connector and the protocol, and which does all the things you'd expect.

    Now, people don't have to wonder if they have the right cable (just like they didn't in the USB 2 era). "Is it USB5? Great, it's the right cable."

    As it should be.

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    Well whoever it is needs to be fired for sure.

    Also I would say browsers have done a fine job because "normal" users don't care about versioning and the browser makers have sidestepped it almost entirely. Chrome, Safari and such are not marketed under their version, just their names. I nver saw a commercial for "Chrome v105" just "Google Chrome".

    Same for Windows. Nobody really cares about Window 10.0.19.044.2066, it's either "7, 8, 10, 11". Same with Apple who went a smart step fruther and uses their "de

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  I'm pretty mad about some of the stupid naming decisions too, and they should just do USB4/5/6/etc, but I'm afraid we're fundamentally stuck with some ambiguity and confusion. If we want one standard connector which "just works" most of the time, it's inevitable.

  We can't make every device support everything, my phone's tiny charger isn't going to provide 120W for my laptop, my phone won't be able to output 8k@120hz, I can't "dock" my camera to a Thunderbolt hub, etc. So in the end unless we go back to diffe

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  They tried the same around USB-MicroB. The problem is that they want to make their Universal Bus also a Universal Connector but they can't envision what we need 'tomorrow'.

  Then when someone else does something popular, they need to invent something that is just like it but still ends up inferior (whether it was matching FireWire speeds, smaller or reversible connectors or matching ThunderBolt features, or doing DisplayPort over USB).

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  That would have been stupid. The generation of USB has never defined the port itself. Your proposal would have locked the USB world into a corner. Calling everything USB-C, C at what speed, with what capability, how many lanes?

  Your proposal doesn't fix the problems you are complaining.

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  The port and protocol was always "split", it just wasn't widely recognized as such until the split went two ways. USB from the days of 1.1 allowed for the protocol on non-USB connectors, this is how we got those tiny music players that would connect to a computer USB port by the same 1/8" phone jack used for the headphones. When USB allowed for the reverse, a USB port or jack to carry something other than USB protocols, is when it got to come off the rails as you point out. Had it stayed where a USB port

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  Roadmaps are a great way to lock yourself in on one path and lock yourself out of the flexibility of making USB Universal. The roadmap is simple: better. Better connectors more suitable for the devices B - MiniB - MicroB - C. Better signaling: USB1.1 - USB2 - USB3. Better speeds USB Gen2x1 - Gen2x2 - Gen3x1. Better compatibility, PD, Alt Modes etc.

  Confusing to consumers, yes. But if you were to build a roadmap you can safely bet your vital organs USB wouldn't be as fast, as capable or as ubiquitous as it is

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    {{{ - Roadmaps are a great way to lock yourself in on one path and lock yourself out of the flexibility of making USB Universal. - }}} --- They are also a way of preventing the mess that USB has become.

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  Intel should have just renamed Parallel and RS232 to USB-p and USB-2.32 and DVI could get an upgrade and named USB-d2.

  You've got all these USB ports that either physically do not connect or they do and don't function as well as expected.

• Seriously, 480 was MORE than enough!

  USB was supposed to be 1 guy's universal serial port that intel took and screwed it up in industry fashion. Simple devices with low speed and low power requirements like keyboards where a simple parallel or RS232 was just fine and they never should have kernel level drivers! The only change should have been to a better plug with a less messy and higher power DC power component; to become the DC low power standard with just enough "smarts" to keep it cheap, reliable, and free of software! (for power uses)

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  Grandma doesn't understand Mbps nor Gbps while you and I do. Just put a year on the adapter or a simplified version number. USB 2022 would be great and easy to figure out.