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New Cars Bought in the UK Must Be Zero Emission by 2035
New Cars Bought in the UK Must Be Zero Emission by 2035 (theregister.com) 73
Posted by msmash
on Thursday January 04, 2024 @01:45PM from the moving-forward dept.All new cars and vans bought in the UK must be zero emission by 2035, according to the latest legal mandate updated this week. From a report: The date for all new petrol and diesel cars to be banned was originally set for 2030. However, in September, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak pushed this date back to 2035. The government says this is giving consumers more time to make the switch and deal with the UK's charging infrastructure. The transition will still be challenging. Eighty percent of new cars and 70 percent of new vans sold in Great Britain must be zero emission by 2030, increasing to 100 percent by 2035. While the government points to statistics indicating a 41 percent increase in zero-emission vehicles registered for the first time -- note, the vast majority of newly registered vehicles still remain conventionally powered -- charging infrastructure is an altogether different story. The government boasts of more than 50,000 public charge points, an increase of 44 percent year on year, but not all chargers are born equal. According to research from RAC, a local roadside assistance business, the government has failed to meet its target of having six or more rapid or ultra-rapid electric vehicle chargers at every motorway service area in England.
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I know I know UK... But still, sorry. 30K is the most I'm going to pay for a vehicle. End of story.
If you didn't know better, you might think they are trying to create this situation to promote some other agenda.
Even if the agenda is to adopt public transportation it won't work until my generation dies off. There's NO WAY anyone can convince me that riding with a bunch of weirdos in a bus/train is better than my ICE car experience. I literally will have to die before I stop driving in my own personal vehicle. There's millions of people who feel like me. Even in the best cities in Europe with their modern public transportation you can't convince me it's better. Even in Japan with super fast trains that need 'people stuffers' to make everyone fit in the train... I'm not riding a bike to the supermarket either. Too much toothpaste is already out of the tube and my bar for crap is too low to do anything else now. Same with cities. Once you live off in the country for a while there's no going back. Not voluntarily anyway.
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I'm with you, I'm fine with my ICE vehicles and in fact I prefer them. I know how they work, when they break I can generally fix them, I don't have a looming battery replacement cost over my head, I don't have to plan an extra 20-30 minutes for every few hours of driving to "refuel" since it takes less than 5 minutes. I'm good.
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For now, I have to point out. What are you going to do when you have to drive another 20-30 minutes just to get the fuel because all the gas stations have closed down?
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Absolutely right. It's like the 55 mph speed limit - not really to save gas on long trips, but to make long trips impractical, so you don't do them in the first place.
EV charging is similar, it's completely impractical to take a long trip and there is no solution even proposed. The "bike and choo choo" crowd considers that a feature, not a bug.
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Having driven across the continental US and back in an EV more than once, I can say that this is an absolutely stupid statement that does not intersect with easily observable reality.
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How is it stupid? I bet you needed an app to help navigate your way from charger to charger. I mean, that could be totally wrong and charging stations may be all over the place but I haven't seen any. Sure, there are random walmarts and stuff with a charger here or there but again, who wants to sit 20/30 min at a charger? I don't. Have fun though.
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The charger guidance is built into the turn-by-turn navigation. I can tell my car to navigate from Portland, Oregon to Washington, DC and it builds in charging stops where charging is going to be the most efficient, how long I'm going to have to charge in order to get to the next charger with a margin of error, and exact directions leading me to the charger, as well as data on how many stalls are open, and the navigation has the ability to change the route based on that availability while I'm still on appr
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That whole post you just made doesn't point my opinion as stupid. It paints you as someone who is ok with the extra time and planning required. That's fine. We need folks like you to adopt this stuff and move it along. It's not where it needs to be yet for me but it'll get there. I was hoping it would get there by making the cars affordable... But crazy expensive + horribly inconvenient doesn't equal value - to me. Sorry to make this so contentious. There's room for us both I think.
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The idea that you “need” turn-by-turn navigation to get from Oregon to DC is somewhat absurd itself, leaving out the charger part of it. A quick glance at a map can show the various Interstate routes to get there. The entire Interstate numbering system is designed for ease of travel purposes. Even numbers east-west, odd north-south, loops and spurs are three numbers. Food and fuel stops are found at exits and/or rest areas.
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He didn't say that he needs it. Just that it does all the work planning for him.
And yes, at Tesla's current rate of buildout, it'll be a few more years before they equal the 80+ years of rollouts for gas stations. Though I remember reading that the number of gas stations are actually declining. I'd believe it - little 2 pump stations are disappearing and you're getting 12+ pump stations going in.
Convenience stores are going from postage stamp sized to bigger than many fast food joints.
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How long to charge and how many stops, super-expert?
I used the Tesla Trip planner, said I had the longest-range Tesla they make, and planned my typical trip.. EV changed it from a 3-day trip to a 5-day trip, because of the ** 22 ** stops, which necessitated 4 overnight stays. Then, at the destination, the nearest fast charger was 60 miles away.
This is trip that takes 3 days, 7 stops total with 2 overnight stays, with 20 gas stations withing a mile of my destinatio
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Even in Japan with super fast trains that need 'people stuffers' to make everyone fit in the train...
Tell us you've never been on a train in Japan, without telling us you've never been on a train in Japan.
Here's a hint: the Shinkansen (inter-city high speed rail) has assigned seating.
Regional trains and subways can get crowded, but having spent almost a month in Japan recently without sitting behind the steering wheel of a vehicle even once, I didn't see a single "people stuffer" anywhere in Tokyo, Yokohama, Tsurumaki, Kyoto, Osaka, or Hiroshima at any hour of any day. Why? There's another train coming in 5 minutes, and another 5 minutes after that, and the vast majority of Japanese people respect other people by default, and if a train is full, they're not going to shove themselves in knowing there's another one coming soon.
But hey, nothing like a little casual racism mixed in with extreme ignorance to make yourself look ridiculous.
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Yes I've never been to Japan. But oh come on, racism? You've never seen a youtube video of people being stuffed into a train? REALLY!?!?! Go to youtube and search for "Professional Pushers Shove Passengers Onto Busy Tokyo Train" and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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Oh, right. So a video from 7 years go showing a single incident that to me looks like a malfunctioning door means that clearly happens at every train station across Metropolitan Tokyo, right?
Also, that video has absolutely nothing to do with the high speed trains you referred to, which have assigned seating and have never had anything even remotely close to that happen, ever.
So yeah, just keep doubling down on terrible stereotypes that don't intersect with observable reality. That doesn't make you look ri
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There's more than just that one, but yeah it was a few years ago. Sorry, people being stuffed in a train looks ridiculous all on its own. The people on that train taking it so calmly is just stunning from my POV. I don't think that makes me racist... does it?
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I'm going out on a limb and infer that you have never really commuted by light rail or lived in a "walking community".
It's great
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How would you bring anything home beyond a very small bag? How would this work if you are disabled? Would you be expected to travel blocks to kilometers in a wheelchair in adverse weather and snow each time? You would be at the mercy of any and all delivery being a monopoly, having to pay massive delivery fees for everything from a bit of lumber to kitchen appliances when they couldn’t be easily transported anymore. There would still have to be roads because of emergency services, trash service,
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If you like wasting your time and money. Here in London it can literally take 50% longer to drive than taking public transport. Cycling can be even faster. My commute 17km across central London was 50-55 mins by bicycle, 1h5-1h20 by public transport and 1h30-2h by car. I was pretty damned fit from this. And the car costs an order of magnitude more too.
Iâ(TM)m happy to cycle to the supermarket too. I do the family shop once a week and can get 25-30kg in a 70l rucksack. Itâ(TM)s just one thin
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London is just a terrible place for cars. Last time I was there I went around something you call 'The Magic Roundabout' and almost never got off. Driving to a pub resembled the 'Rally Cross' stuff I see on TV with narrow roads and hedge rows all over the place (But the pub was like something out of Lord of the Rings so it was worth it).
Agreed, London is hostile to automobiles...
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