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Microsoft might soon block force-installing Windows 11 on unsupported CPUs via bypass
Microsoft recently updated its list of supported Intel and AMD processors. While the company added a few new Ryzen chips including one which has not been released (at least not yet) by AMD, Microsoft somewhat bizarrely removed many Intel CPUs that were previously on the list of compatible processors.
Aside from updating its list, Microsoft may also be working on blocking Windows 11 installs on unsupported hardware. German website Deskmodder reports that one of its forum members was unable to install Windows 11 on their Intel Core 2 Duo T6500 system. The user is an Insider flighting the Canary channel when Windows 11 build 25905 installation was seemingly blocked on their PC, even though previous builds worked fine. AMD's Turin II P650 [sic?] also did not work.
Interestingly, replacing the install.wim Windows Image file of previous builds with that of build 25905 apparently led to blockage of installs on those earlier releases, confirming the tech giant has certainly made some change there. Bypass options like those provided by tools like Rufus and Ventoy, among others, may not be enough. Others like the TPM bypass may not work either.
While Microsoft maintains its list of compatible CPUs, people have often run Windows 11 on unsupported chips. And such users have had decent experiences most of the time. assuming they have a somewhat new system. For example, a Reddit user once exclaimed that their Core i5-580M ran Windows 11 version 22H2 "like magic". Funnily, even a senior exec from the company was once seen sporting an unsupported part during a Windows Insider webcast. The SKU in question here was a Kaby Lake mobile Core i7-7660U.
Microsoft has in the past mistakenly offered Windows 11 upgrade to users on unsupported hardware. The PC Health Check app also once gave the Pentium 4 chip a thumbs up for installing the OS.
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Ok, Microsoft wants to kill Windows.
And they will be successful.
Ok, Microsoft wants to kill Windows.
And they will be successful.
Hell, they probably doing everyone a favor since Windows 10 is clearly better for most people anyways and is still the dominate OS from Microsoft.
Ok, Microsoft wants to kill Windows.
And they will be successful.
They're just setting things up for their inevitable push of a cloud-based subscription service version of Windows to consumers. Don't have compatible hardware to run Windows 11/12? Boy, that sure is a shame, but we have a solution for you...
Ok, Microsoft wants to kill Windows.
And they will be successful.
Nah, Windows 11 is already gaining traction even in the gaming world. I am sure part of this is to stop folks using unsupported hardware from calling them with issues. The other part could be a security issue or perhaps the latest dev insider build is gearing for Windows 12. Time will tell, but I am ok with it. I have a few main systems that have all the requirements and the 3 laptops we have are running on maintenance mode and are in need of an upgrade from the 1st Gen Ryzen mobile chips in them.
Hell, they probably doing everyone a favor since Windows 10 is clearly better for most people anyways and is still the dominate OS from Microsoft.
Windows 10 is quickly enough falling from the ranks as Windows 11 rises and justly so as the 22H2 update for Windows 10 is the final update and now the OS is heading into maintenance mode as its EOL 2025 date approaches.
They're just setting things up for their inevitable push of a cloud-based subscription service version of Windows to consumers. Don't have compatible hardware to run Windows 11/12? Boy, that sure is a shame, but we have a solution for you...
No push of cloud version of Windows. That is already here as part of their Microsoft 365 subscription and completely optional. They still will have a perpetual license version of Windows.
The bigger issue is security and I would take a guess AI, and Microsoft is preparing for that while also limiting legacy hardware.
Ok, Microsoft wants to kill Windows.
And they will be successful.
Let's not go cry a river...
Seeing other comments in this thread, seems people like to overreact.
Microsoft won't stop that for sure. But to kill Windows, LMAO...come on people. There is life outside the IT world. IT users are a very small population, and those with old hardware even smaller.
So many "threats" of people going to switch...go ahead folks, in the end, not many will do that. Numbers don't lie, but a post does.
It's the way of things. This happens on mobible devices which is even WAY WORSE.
To say that this will kill Windows. Is not even the SLIGHT aware much how Windows is already 'embedded' in our lives.
Let's not go cry a river...
Seeing other comments in this thread, seems people like to overreact.
Microsoft won't stop that for sure. But to kill Windows, LMAO...come on people. There is life outside the IT world. IT users are a very small population, and those with old hardware even smaller.
So many "threats" of people going to switch...go ahead folks, in the end, not many will do that. Numbers don't lie, but a post does.
It's the way of things. This happens on mobible devices which is even WAY WORSE.
To say that this will kill Windows. Is not even the SLIGHT aware much how Windows is already 'embedded' in our lives.
No... IOS and Android are embedded in our lifes. Windows is embedded in OLD PEOPLE lives.
No... IOS and Android are embedded in our lifes. Windows is embedded in OLD PEOPLE lives.
I guess you dont work in an office or play games on a PC.
I guess you dont work in an office or play games on a PC.
I don't work in an office, but I also know it's becoming a niche for Windows and I do play games on PC, which is slowly also happening on Linux. So it's a slow death, but death indeed.
Windows 10 is quickly enough falling from the ranks as Windows 11 rises and justly so as the 22H2 update for Windows 10 is the final update and now the OS is heading into maintenance mode as its EOL 2025 date approaches.
Windows 10 is fully supported for 26 more months. 12 will probably be out in October of 2024. Windows 10 users never have to use 11 if they want.
I don't work in an office, but I also know it's becoming a niche for Windows and I do play games on PC, which is slowly also happening on Linux. So it's a slow death, but death indeed.
Linux gaming is an utterly frustrating mess. I wish it was not.
For non-gaming computing I use Mac’s
Just like piracy, it's a cat and mouse game. There will always be ways around it. I've installed MacOS Ventura on a mid 2010 unsupported Mac which runs just fine. So, like I said, there will always be ways around it.
Just like piracy, it's a cat and mouse game. There will always be ways around it. I've installed MacOS Ventura on a mid 2010 unsupported Mac which runs just fine. So, like I said, there will always be ways around it.
Could be unless Microsoft is making changes at the kernel level or in another sensitive and secure piece of the OS. That would make it hard to near impossible to undo than....We will have to wait and see what approach they are taking....
I am on 25915 on a gen 4 i5 with the overwrite dll system (updating from previous windows insider build)
I am on 25915 on a gen 4 i5 with the overwrite dll system (updating from previous windows insider build)
just updated to 25921 without problem with the overwrite dll way.
I have Windows 11 installed on a Core i7 3770K, runs perfectly fine, not a single issue. If Microsoft really wants to do this, they're stupid as hell. I don't get why the obsession with control, let me install whatever I want on my computer, just put a disclaimer saying that running Windows on unsupported hardware might cause issues and they're not responsible for those and won't offer any support, period, but let me do it at my own risk.
PS: I also have Windows 11 installed on various 6th-gen Intel CPUs and they're fine.
I have Windows 11 installed on a Core i7 3770K, runs perfectly fine, not a single issue. If Microsoft really wants to do this, they're stupid as hell. I don't get why the obsession with control, let me install whatever I want on my computer, just put a disclaimer saying that running Windows on unsupported hardware might cause issues and they're not responsible for those and won't offer any support, period, but let me do it at my own risk.
PS: I also have Windows 11 installed on various 6th-gen Intel CPUs and they're fine.
I got it running on an i5-7300U 2-in-1.
I have Windows 11 installed on a Core i7 3770K, runs perfectly fine, not a single issue. If Microsoft really wants to do this, they're stupid as hell. I don't get why the obsession with control, let me install whatever I want on my computer, just put a disclaimer saying that running Windows on unsupported hardware might cause issues and they're not responsible for those and won't offer any support, period, but let me do it at my own risk.
PS: I also have Windows 11 installed on various 6th-gen Intel CPUs and they're fine.
Easier said than done. They already have disclaimers, but the problem is folks still try and contact them or blame them for issues that arise on the unsupported hardware. Imagine also if you install it on your parent's computer that was unsupported and they have little tech knowledge. Something goes wrong, they are likely to contact Microsoft just to be told that hardware is not supported. That now also looks bad on Microsoft as the person calling did not know it was not supported.
The other issues are the further updating with further changes coming and virtualization both on a security and technical level. Older hardware cannot support it and some features may not work correctly at all. Easy and most prudent way is for them to remove support altogether and place blocks in the OS. Even games and some other software are thinking and moving forward in this direction.
I have Windows 11 installed on a Core i7 3770K, runs perfectly fine, not a single issue. If Microsoft really wants to do this, they're stupid as hell. I don't get why the obsession with control, let me install whatever I want on my computer, just put a disclaimer saying that running Windows on unsupported hardware might cause issues and they're not responsible for those and won't offer any support, period, but let me do it at my own risk.
PS: I also have Windows 11 installed on various 6th-gen Intel CPUs and they're fine.
I'm using windows 11 on dual core from 2011 CPU.
I must admit I'm wondering what's safer from a security standpoint unsupported unpatched window 10 or windows 11 without a TMP chip, because I can't afford an entirely new system anytime soon.
I must admit I'm wondering what's safer from a security standpoint unsupported unpatched window 10 or windows 11 without a TMP chip, because I can't afford an entirely new system anytime soon.
Definitely the Windows 11 route, IMO. You get monthly updates and your OS is kept up-to-date, even without the features a TPM offers, you can live without those.
I must admit I'm wondering what's safer from a security standpoint unsupported unpatched window 10 or windows 11 without a TMP chip, because I can't afford an entirely new system anytime soon.
You don't even need a antivirus if you're a domestic user and you know what you're doing. The base Windows, regardless of stuff like TPM and whatever, is a pretty secure system for daily domestic use. Antivirus and robust security features are only a must on large organizations and enterprise use - those are big targets for random hackers and tailored attacks.
You must always remember: viruses are like vampires. If you don't invite them in, you have nothing to worry about.
Definitely the Windows 11 route, IMO. You get monthly updates and your OS is kept up-to-date, even without the features a TPM offers, you can live without those.
Has Win11 had any announced support windows past 2025? If so, I haven't see it. They seem to be on equal footing in terms of when support quits.
Has Win11 had any announced support windows past 2025? If so, I haven't see it. They seem to be on equal footing in terms of when support quits.
As long as Microsoft keeps pumping out Windows 11 feature updates (2xH2), the support period will extend beyond 2025. Home, Pro, SE, Pro Education and Pro for Workstations SKUs get 2 years of support. Education, Enterprise and IoT Enterprise SKUs get 3 years.
It all depends on Microsoft releasing future feature updates for 11. For example, if 24H2 ever comes to life, it would be supported until 2026/2027 depending on the SKU, and so on.
You don't even need a antivirus if you're a domestic user and you know what you're doing. The base Windows, regardless of stuff like TPM and whatever, is a pretty secure system for daily domestic use. Antivirus and robust security features are only a must on large organizations and enterprise use - those are big targets for random hackers and tailored attacks.
You must always remember: viruses are like vampires. If you don't invite them in, you have nothing to worry about.
Tell that to the people who made a single, tiny mistake and the result was all their data encrypted because of a ransomware, and it could all have been prevented by a basic antivirus. Windows now comes with a very good antivirus software, so using it does no harm.
You don't even need a antivirus if you're a domestic user and you know what you're doing. The base Windows, regardless of stuff like TPM and whatever, is a pretty secure system for daily domestic use. Antivirus and robust security features are only a must on large organizations and enterprise use - those are big targets for random hackers and tailored attacks.
You must always remember: viruses are like vampires. If you don't invite them in, you have nothing to worry about.
You would think that, but hackers and scammers target individuals at large and if you do not have these security features, even if you think you know tech, they can get you, especially with one false move or unsuspecting. Businesses and enterprises are just the icing on the cake.
As long as Microsoft keeps pumping out Windows 11 feature updates (2xH2), the support period will extend beyond 2025. Home, Pro, SE, Pro Education and Pro for Workstations SKUs get 2 years of support. Education, Enterprise and IoT Enterprise SKUs get 3 years.
It all depends on Microsoft releasing future feature updates for 11. For example, if 24H2 ever comes to life, it would be supported until 2026/2027 depending on the SKU, and so on.
23H2 is actually in the pipeline and due soon. It was formerly Sun Valley 3
23H2 is actually in the pipeline and due soon. It was formerly Sun Valley 3
We know, we were debating beyond 23H2.
I must admit I'm wondering what's safer from a security standpoint unsupported unpatched window 10 or windows 11 without a TMP chip, because I can't afford an entirely new system anytime soon.
It's not just the TPM chip. There are some processor features Windwos 11 'requires' in order to operate. I have more PC's in with a compliant TPM but fail on the CPU front ... still Win 11 on an atom x5-Z8350 is fine 
I must admit I'm wondering what's safer from a security standpoint unsupported unpatched window 10 or windows 11 without a TMP chip, because I can't afford an entirely new system anytime soon.
You have 26 months before Windows 10 loses support. You can then by a used system. 8th Gen and up will work and be 8 years old in 2025.
If you have an unsupported system, just use Ubuntu LTS or Elementary OS. Either one of those would be a stable system that doesn't require much knowledge to use and doesn't have the stringent hardware requirements of Windows 11. You'd have more privacy too without all of the telemetry collections and cloud tie-ins.
If you have an unsupported system, just use Ubuntu LTS or Elementary OS. Either one of those would be a stable system that doesn't require much knowledge to use and doesn't have the stringent hardware requirements of Windows 11. You'd have more privacy too without all of the telemetry collections and cloud tie-ins.
For a normal, home user, I totally agree. I'd recommend Linux Mint instead of those, but yours are fine too. But if you're a hardcore AAA gamer or you play online multiplayers, Linux isn't for you, better stick with Windows.
If you have an unsupported system, just use Ubuntu LTS or Elementary OS. Either one of those would be a stable system that doesn't require much knowledge to use and doesn't have the stringent hardware requirements of Windows 11. You'd have more privacy too without all of the telemetry collections and cloud tie-ins.
The Linux Distros such as Ubuntu still have a lot of telemetry data collected. You would be lying to yourself if you said otherwise. That is in part how they figure out issues or look at market share.
If you have an unsupported system, just use Ubuntu LTS or Elementary OS. Either one of those would be a stable system that doesn't require much knowledge to use and doesn't have the stringent hardware requirements of Windows 11. You'd have more privacy too without all of the telemetry collections and cloud tie-ins.
I actually would go Debian, way more easier than before to install.. perhaps go with the KDE desktop enviroment if you miss windows so much, but in my opinion gnome is simpler and more straight forward.
For a normal, home user, I totally agree. I'd recommend Linux Mint instead of those, but yours are fine too. But if you're a hardcore AAA gamer or you play online multiplayers, Linux isn't for you, better stick with Windows.
Well that depends. There are a huge amount of games that run great on Linux. Even many of the new releases. Besides, if the person is that "hardcore" of a gamer, then they probably have a new enough computer to run Windows 11.
The Linux Distros such as Ubuntu still have a lot of telemetry data collected. You would be lying to yourself if you said otherwise. That is in part how they figure out issues or look at market share.
Ubuntu asks you during install for permission to submit telemetry data, and lets you view the data in the report.
I actually would go Debian, way more easier than before to install.. perhaps go with the KDE desktop enviroment if you miss windows so much, but in my opinion gnome is simpler and more straight forward.
I use KDE Plasma myself and love the level of customization that it provides. But that is probably too much power for the average user. If you don't know what you're doing it's possible to really screw up the interface.
Elementary OS has more of a Mac-like interface and is designed to be easy for the average user.
I'm all for it, Microsoft. Let's kill this OS once for all and replace with something better.
I know Windows 12 is going to do that.
I know Windows 12 is going to do that.
Sadly, I suspect the same. 11 was the flex test. 12 will be the final nail in the coffin for unsupported hardware. They won't include a bypass in 12 and they'll make the TPM really mandatory this time...
Sadly, I suspect the same. 11 was the flex test. 12 will be the final nail in the coffin for unsupported hardware. They won't include a bypass in 12 and they'll make the TPM really mandatory this time...
Very plausible, though the efforts to topple new protections will probably not be completely unsuccessful given that it's Microsoft against the world.
If I'm stuck on Win11 past its support date, then I guess I can live with that as long as browser support holds up, which I imagine it will for a long time after. These days that's a lot more important, I think, than the OS.
Sadly, I suspect the same. 11 was the flex test. 12 will be the final nail in the coffin for unsupported hardware. They won't include a bypass in 12 and they'll make the TPM really mandatory this time...
According to leaked documents, Windows 12 will require 2 TPMs and 4 Secure boots to be able to install
Sadly, I suspect the same. 11 was the flex test. 12 will be the final nail in the coffin for unsupported hardware. They won't include a bypass in 12 and they'll make the TPM really mandatory this time...
And you be able to get around the Microsoft account factor with 12. Edge/Bing will be harder to get around.
Good for them, i stick with windows 10, they dont learn, zen 1 not even as a minimal requirements its just wrong. maybe by the time i update on new pc this wont be a problem but until then....
Good for them, i stick with windows 10, they dont learn, zen 1 not even as a minimal requirements its just wrong. maybe by the time i update on new pc this wont be a problem but until then....
They learned a lot... you nothing. Go and stick with windows 10.
they should have made AVX2 a hard requirement.
they should have made AVX2 a hard requirement.
Clearly they didn't need that since it wasn't a requirement in the first place.
Happy with Windows 11 Pro running on my Supported Intel 10700 Processor, Keeping my secondary gaming Laptop on Windows 10 til 2025, then hopefully purchasing a newer Laptop that is Windows 11 Compatible, and then finally have both systems on Windows 11
Happy with Windows 11 Pro running on my Supported Intel 10700 Processor, Keeping my secondary gaming Laptop on Windows 10 til 2025, then hopefully purchasing a newer Laptop that is Windows 11 Compatible, and then finally have both systems on Windows 11
By 2025 there will be a Windows 12.
I'm already out of all the windows 11 shenanigans except for 1 device, the asus rog ally. Debian 13 will probably fix that, until then well, guess I tolerate it.
What if you directly deploy the wim on hard drive?
I'll let my AMD Phenom 955BE desktop stay on Win10. No point to have Win11 on it.. Haha.... too old for that.. 😂😂😂😂
If this article is true, then I will switch over to Linux in a flash. And,......from the looks of this thread I won't be alone!!! I already have a laptop running Linux Mint 21. From the looks of this thread I won't be alone!!! 👍😊🤬
Microsoft just doesn't want people to use their os. They want them to migrate to something else; which i did afew months ago.
I now mainly use linux with office and photoshop installed on a windows 10 VM and sideloaded a less bloated version of win10 for my games (because my bit old pc doesn't have a video card, so games run poorly on VM and many does not run on wine, otherwise i would soly use linux).
Carbon credits to save the planet.
Also, just buy a new PC.
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