Sad to see it happen but they deserve punishment as do so many other companies that knowingly release "buggy" products before they are ready. Considering what game companies now charge, their implementation of "loot boxes" and other ways of getting more and more revenue's, especially in games that just don't deserve it, it's about time that a few investors and gamers go after them and make them pay. Hopefully, although doubtful, this will send a strong message to the game makers that it better be right before it hits the streets ....

I'm not sure what the overall impact of this may be.

Hopefully it will ensure that no game is ever released with buggy again.

But this goes way beyond "bugs".

This was a game that was never going to work on the last-gen consoles... released for the last gen consoles.

If I'd been their CEO, I'd have simply given refunds to PS4 owners and told em up front - "we ain't releasing it for PS4 and Xbox One so buy a PC, PS5 or Xbox SX".

QuantumPhysics said

I'm not sure what the overall impact of this may be.

Hopefully it will ensure that no game is ever released with buggy again.

But this goes way beyond "bugs".

This was a game that was never going to work on the last-gen consoles... released for the last gen consoles.

If I'd been their CEO, I'd have simply given refunds to PS4 owners and told em up front - "we ain't releasing it for PS4 and Xbox One so buy a PC, PS5 or Xbox SX".

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Rubbish, RDR2 looks great and runs ok even on the Xbox DVR. They started developing the game on the old consoles, they just messed up.

QuantumPhysics said

This was a game that was never going to work on the last-gen consoles... released for the last gen consoles.

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This is a game that started development 4 years before the release of the PS5, started development 3 years before the launch of RDR2, which runs fine on last gen consoles.

Xex360 said

Rubbish, RDR2 looks great and runs ok even on the Xbox DVR. They started developing the game on the old consoles, they just messed up.

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Quantum Youtube Channel will never acknowledge that the game started technical development in 2016. In his mind because it works better on PS% it obviously was a PS5 game from the get go.

Developer delays the launch -> people get mad
Developer launch with bugs -> people get mad

How many game launches are released bug free?

According to the lawsuit, CD Projekt Red claimed the game was "complete and playable" in January,

It isn’t January yet.... what nonsense is this?

What a. surprise.

Sleazy class-action lawyers looking for yet another fat payout with the clients (lol, investors also wanting a "guaranteed" profit in the stock market, good luck with that) getting a piddling. Not to say that CDPR didn't completely F up the previous-gen console release, they totally did.

money money money money money. Mo' money.

MaestroIT said

Developer delays the launch -> people get mad
Developer launch with bugs -> people get mad

How many game launches are released bug free?

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Developer delays the launch -> a few nuts get mad
Developer launch with bugs -> people who paid good money for a complete game get mad

Fixed.

MaestroIT said

Developer delays the launch -> people get mad
Developer launch with bugs -> people get mad

How many game launches are released bug free?

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There's a big difference between launching a game with a few annoying (and sometimes humorous) bugs, and launching a game that's unplayable.

Sleazy lawyers. This is just part of a shorts attack to drive down stock price.

Theinsanegamer said

This is a game that started development 4 years before the release of the PS5, started development 3 years before the launch of RDR2, which runs fine on last gen consoles. Quantum Youtube Channel will never acknowledge that the game started technical development in 2016. In his mind because it works better on PS% it obviously was a PS5 game from the get go.

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Just because the game was developed during the life of the consoles doesn't mean things don't change or technology/game engine get upgrades.

Like you think ps4/xb1 would be able to do ray tracing?

Squid Surprise said

According to the lawsuit, CD Projekt Red claimed the game was "complete and playable" in January,

It isn’t January yet.... what nonsense is this?

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They are referring to January 2020.

Uncle Al said

Sad to see it happen but they deserve punishment as do so many other companies that knowingly release "buggy" products before they are ready. Considering what game companies now charge, their implementation of "loot boxes" and other ways of getting more and more revenue's, especially in games that just don't deserve it, it's about time that a few investors and gamers go after them and make them pay. Hopefully, although doubtful, this will send a strong message to the game makers that it better be right before it hits the streets ....

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Ultimately this lawsuit will fail. The game is perfectly playable, yes there a re a few bugs but every AAA game released in the history of ever had bugs and will have bugs in the future. They have already made patches available for the worst of the bugs. The biggest reason for the lawsuit is all the crying entitled 18-25 year olds who have nothing better to do than sit in mommas basement and play games all day because their parents made sure they always got a participation trophy instead of let them know that **** happens and you have to overcome life's little disappointments without throwing a temper tantrum. I imagine these same people are the ones that claim The Last Jedi "ruined" their childhood. Buncha whiney babies who need their butts wiped by mommy.

Namtrooper said

They are referring to January 2020.

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It was NOT complete and playable a year ago... and no one claimed it was....other than you apparently

QuantumPhysics said

I'm not sure what the overall impact of this may be.

Hopefully it will ensure that no game is ever released with buggy again.

But this goes way beyond "bugs".

This was a game that was never going to work on the last-gen consoles... released for the last gen consoles.

If I'd been their CEO, I'd have simply given refunds to PS4 owners and told em up front - "we ain't releasing it for PS4 and Xbox One so buy a PC, PS5 or Xbox SX".

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If there is a lawsuit it should strictly focus on older PS4 or Xbox One consoles. Just refunding them would be a wise choice at this point but that is a rather large number of pre-orders from what I understand. PC gamers have already been lapping up buggy game releases for years and continue asking for more.

Squid Surprise said

It was NOT complete and playable a year ago... and no one claimed it was....other than you apparently

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He literally quoted the text in the lawsuit (that may or may not have been said publicly).......

Besides, complete would be referring to the story and "playable" does not imply "bug free" or "polished" lol

While I can see that lawsuits were inevitable and somewhat justified, I'm left imagining how they may affect CDPR's financial ability to continue patching the game. Has anyone considered that if CDPR is deeply damaged financially- or even driven into bankruptcy- CP2077 may become the next No Man's Sky.

I'm hoping that by the time I can actually buy a 3080, this game will be much more polished for all.

m4a4 said

He literally quoted the text in the lawsuit (that may or may not have been said publicly).......

Besides, complete would be referring to the story and "playable" does not imply "bug free" or "polished" lol

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No... I quoted the text.... I suspect it was an error by the writer...

Squid Surprise said

It was NOT complete and playable a year ago... and no one claimed it was....other than you apparently

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Are you sure about that ? [link]

CDPR‘s official statement was that they delayed the launch „to make the game perfect” (their words, not mine).

Quite frankly, it seems CDPR spent their development efforts to please their sponsor by delivering a great RT + DLSS showcase. Hope it was worth it in the end.

Irata said

Are you sure about that ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1217861009446182912

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CDPR‘s official statement was that they delayed the launch „to make the game perfect” (their words, not mine).

Quite frankly, it seems CDPR spent their development efforts to please their sponsor by delivering a great RT + DLSS showcase. Hope it was worth it in the end.

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Thank's for doing the heavy lifting for me Mr. Irata. Hopefully Squid will eat his words. People get so oversensitive.

The Giuliani-esque action is bound to fail.

Squid Surprise said

No... I quoted the text.... I suspect it was an error by the writer...

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Hahaha, then that's even worse, as you yourself literally quoted the text paraphrasing the lawsuit that claims what you said no one claimed (without even looking at the lawsuit).

To spell it out, the lawsuit states

On January 16, 2020, CD Projekt released a statement announcing that though Cyberpunk 2077 was “complete and playable”, the game’s release date would be delayed until September 7, 2020, as the Company “needed more time to finish playtesting, fixing and polishing.”

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A simple lookup.

Lew Zealand said

What a. surprise.

Sleazy class-action lawyers looking for yet another fat payout with the clients (lol, investors also wanting a "guaranteed" profit in the stock market, good luck with that) getting a piddling. Not to say that CDPR didn't completely F up the previous-gen console release, they totally did.

money money money money money. Mo' money.

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Morons tend to forget, investments are a gamble you aren't guaranteed anything, although they like to demand as much, which they will blather about capitalism without ever actually reading the "capitalist manifesto". It's like the people that use "atlas shrugged" as some sort of gospel why they need entitlements while saying people beneath them shouldn't benefit. That's life.people are pitiful.

m4a4 said

He literally quoted the text in the lawsuit (that may or may not have been said publicly).......

Besides, complete would be referring to the story and "playable" does not imply "bug free" or "polished" lol

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I think you should look up what the word complete means...

Lew Zealand said

What a. surprise.

Sleazy class-action lawyers looking for yet another fat payout with the clients (lol, investors also wanting a "guaranteed" profit in the stock market, good luck with that) getting a piddling. Not to say that CDPR didn't completely F up the previous-gen console release, they totally did.

money money money money money. Mo' money.

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When a company lies to you too get you to invest money, that's illegal and you should get sued...

Here's the rub. CDPR management needs to receive some sort of penalty. But they won't, it will be developers who pay the price.

applesauce said

I think you should look up what the word complete means...

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I think you should look up what "context" means...

applesauce said

When a company lies to you too get you to invest money, that's illegal and you should get sued...

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Unless they lied about their financial health (e.g. Income, expenses, liability) this is a nothing burger. Just look up the law firm, their the equalavent of financial ambulance chasers.

TomSEA said

There's a big difference between launching a game with a few annoying (and sometimes humorous) bugs, and launching a game that's unplayable.

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On PC the game isn't unplayable, I can agree maybe the last gen consoles were unplayable which is probably why the fee upgrades were given.

MaestroIT said

Developer delays the launch -> people get mad
Developer launch with bugs -> people get mad

How many game launches are released bug free?

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How many are broken on this scale across two standardized systems?

LOL this comment section is so trashy. Everyone is protecting CDPR like they are some kind of savior of gaming industry meanwhile they are the same trash just like any other company...

WhAt GaMe WaS eVeR bUg FrEe?!

Non. But I don't remember ever seeing a game just as trashy as CDPR was/is and the biggest nail on the top is another trashy people who are saying: JuSt BuY iT oN Ps5!

Like how dumb you have to be to say this? If this would be released back in April what would these people say? wait for bug fixes? Meanwhile other games who are fully playable but yet still have some bugs they would say: Oh REFUND!

Whoever overhyped this thing & joined the hype train should know what he is getting into especially after No Man's Sky.

QuantumPhysics said

I'm not sure what the overall impact of this may be.

Hopefully it will ensure that no game is ever released with buggy again.

But this goes way beyond "bugs".

This was a game that was never going to work on the last-gen consoles... released for the last gen consoles.

If I'd been their CEO, I'd have simply given refunds to PS4 owners and told em up front - "we ain't releasing it for PS4 and Xbox One so buy a PC, PS5 or Xbox SX".

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Don't see why users can't do the same with Microsoft and their Bugged to the Max Windows OS.
Unlike games, this can have devastating effects like data loss and the like.
TIME TO SUE MICROSOFT!! /s

Lew Zealand said

What a. surprise. Sleazy class-action lawyers looking for yet another fat payout.

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Yes, I can predict the settlement already: $50M+ for the attorneys involved, with each customer eligible for a $1.25 refund check -- if they're willing to jump through several documentary hoops to receive it.

Bulllee said

The Giuliani-esque action is bound to fail.

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A textbook example of both disinformation and the "guilt by association" logical fallacy, made all the more ironic as class-action and tort attorneys are one of the most strident and remunerative bastions of the Democratic Party: without their annual campaign contributions, it is doubtful the party could even survive.

MaitieS said

LOL this comment section is so trashy. Everyone is protecting CDPR like they are some kind of savior of gaming industry meanwhile they are the same trash just like any other company...

WhAt GaMe WaS eVeR bUg FrEe?!

Non. But I don't remember ever seeing a game just as trashy as CDPR was/is and the biggest nail on the top is another trashy people who are saying: JuSt BuY iT oN Ps5!

Like how dumb you have to be to say this? If this would be released back in April what would these people say? wait for bug fixes? Meanwhile other games who are fully playable but yet still have some bugs they would say: Oh REFUND!

Whoever overhyped this thing & joined the hype train should know what he is getting into especially after No Man's Sky.

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CDPR was literally receiving death threats to release the game. And I would argue that they are one of the last few "good" developers left. Lets not kid ourselves, they are a business and their job is to make money, but at the same time they still have some good business practices. They run GoG, which is a DRM free games service and there isn't a microtransaction or loot box in sight.

They screwed up, but they're working hard to fix their mistake and are doing the responsible thing by giving people their money back. Frankly, I don't know what more they could possible do at this point.

And lets not forget the roll that nVidia played in this whole thing, it's something I don't see anyone talking about. A big part of the reason for the delays was because CDPR had to rework their engine for raytracing and DLSS support.

yRaz said

Lets not forget the roll [sic] that nVidia played in this whole thing... A big part of the reason for the delays was because CDPR had to rework their engine for raytracing and DLSS support.

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A Christmas cookie to the first poster to name the fallacy in the above statement.

It's not Developer's fault but Tyranny of CD Project Marketing Management.
Press F for Developer's, especially for the first generation developers

Now all console users know how PC gamers fell when we get broken port.

Endymio said

Yes, I can predict the settlement already: $50M+ for the attorneys involved, with each customer eligible for a $1.25 refund check -- if they're willing to jump through several documentary hoops to receive it.


A textbook example of both disinformation and the "guilt by association" logical fallacy, made all the more ironic as class-action and tort attorneys are one of the most strident and remunerative bastions of the Democratic Party: without their annual campaign contributions, it is doubtful the party could even survive.

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I can tell you struggle with the throw away one liners so well done for stringing your political ideals on mine.
I bought the game tonight.
If it is unplayable I will sue myself before announcing it at my local Waldorf Garden Centre.

Bulllee said

I bought the game tonight. If it is unplayable I will sue myself.

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That's better than hanging yourself, I suppose.

Endymio said

A Christmas cookie to the first poster to name the fallacy in the above statement.

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Tropes and idioms for $2.00.

Do your own google: [link]

Uncle Al said

Sad to see it happen but they deserve punishment as do so many other companies that knowingly release "buggy" products before they are ready. Considering what game companies now charge, their implementation of "loot boxes" and other ways of getting more and more revenue's, especially in games that just don't deserve it, it's about time that a few investors and gamers go after them and make them pay. Hopefully, although doubtful, this will send a strong message to the game makers that it better be right before it hits the streets ....

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If this is the case then I would like to see Bethesda and EA punished first. Elder Scrolls, Fallout, and multiplayer fps are full of bugs.

It'll be dismissed.

MaitieS said

LOL this comment section is so trashy. Everyone is protecting CDPR like they are some kind of savior of gaming industry meanwhile they are the same trash just like any other company...

WhAt GaMe WaS eVeR bUg FrEe?!

Non. But I don't remember ever seeing a game just as trashy as CDPR was/is and the biggest nail on the top is another trashy people who are saying: JuSt BuY iT oN Ps5!

Like how dumb you have to be to say this? If this would be released back in April what would these people say? wait for bug fixes? Meanwhile other games who are fully playable but yet still have some bugs they would say: Oh REFUND!

Whoever overhyped this thing & joined the hype train should know what he is getting into especially after No Man's Sky.

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TomSEA said

There's a big difference between launching a game with a few annoying (and sometimes humorous) bugs, and launching a game that's unplayable.

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As a last gen console owner it is unfortunate, but you got refunded?

They should just take a page from the old Blizzard and announce it'll be released "when its done" nobody questioned the old blizzard because they were legends. When it became a public company everything changed, and maybe thats the same with CD Project. If they just released for PC, PS5 & Xbox S and said the PS4 & Xbox one versions will release next year, they wouldn't have had this debacle. But hindsight is 20/20

Theinsanegamer said

This is a game that started development 4 years before the release of the PS5, started development 3 years before the launch of RDR2, which runs fine on last gen consoles. Quantum Youtube Channel will never acknowledge that the game started technical development in 2016. In his mind because it works better on PS% it obviously was a PS5 game from the get go.

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But it was a PC game first, that was then ported over to consoles at a later date. That makes all the difference in the world. What we're currently seeing with the PS4/Xbox1 versions is the same sort of problems we see when the port is console to PC. How long did it take to port Horizon Dawn, RDR2, or GTA V over to the PC? And more importantly what was the result?

Yeah... not so good. In this case the games complexity grew as it was going through development, which often happens for PC games due to the fact that there's no solid hardware target, unlike consoles. For example ray tracing also didn't exist when the game first entered development, it was added later. So the game as it started life most likely could of run fine on last gen base consoles. But as it went through development it eventually left those capabilities behind, way behind.

Endymio said

Yes, I can predict the settlement already: $50M+ for the attorneys involved, with each customer eligible for a $1.25 refund check -- if they're willing to jump through several documentary hoops to receive it.


A textbook example of both disinformation and the "guilt by association" logical fallacy, made all the more ironic as class-action and tort attorneys are one of the most strident and remunerative bastions of the Democratic Party: without their annual campaign contributions, it is doubtful the party could even survive.

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This is a different type of lawsuit. It's investors charging that they were mislead to encourage them to invest. So the first thing they have to prove is it was indeed fraud... possible, but I'd give it a 50/50 chance of success. Then they have to prove that the fraud resulted in financial damage... actually easier to prove, 90% chance. Lastly the big question, how much damage.

If the case succeeds it'll most likely take a financial audit of investors to come up with an amount to reward. As for how the reward is split up it'll be up to the terms of the contract plaintiffs signed with the firm bringing the class action. Yes the lawyers will take a large chunk, but there should still be a significant amount going to each member of the suit since it's a much smaller pool of potential plaintiffs.

Alfatawi Mendel said

Don't see why users can't do the same with Microsoft and their Bugged to the Max Windows OS.
Unlike games, this can have devastating effects like data loss and the like.
TIME TO SUE MICROSOFT!! /s

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This is not an end user suit. It's an investor suit. They're saying that CDPR committed fraud to encourage investment. OTOH M$ has all the bugs and glitches covered by the ELUA that we're all forced to agree to when we install the OS. So M$ can't be held libel for any damages. Because people using Windows are end users the absolute most you could get from a lawsuit is your initial purchase price anyway.

fps4ever said

If there is a lawsuit it should strictly focus on older PS4 or Xbox One consoles. Just refunding them would be a wise choice at this point but that is a rather large number of pre-orders from what I understand. PC gamers have already been lapping up buggy game releases for years and continue asking for more.

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Not consumer lawsuit, investor charge of fraud to encourage investment. Totally different thing.

Gezzer said

This is a different type of lawsuit. It's investors charging that they were mislead to encourage them to invest.

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While what you say is correct, the fact remains that it is still a class action tort, which has become synonymous with abuse and exploitation. Investor suits normally either result in a minor nuisance settlement, or protracted litigation that results in the company cannibalizing itself to the benefit of no one but the attorneys involved.

CDPR should have stated the visuals were from the PC platform from the outset. Noting that the console visuals would vary.

It takes a solid PC to run this maxed out and its stunning and its been very stable, but there is no way this would look the same even on latest gen consoles, especially on release.

CDPR CEO made a bad call saying console players should not have expected the graphics and performance of PC or next gen consoles on the original PS4 and XBox One. That's closing the gates after the horses have already bolted.

The base PS4 and XBox One should been retracted or indefinitely delayed until the game was better optimized to run on them. This is all bad PR for what is actually a very amazing game.

richcz3 said

CDPR should have stated the visuals were from the PC platform from the outset. Noting that the console visuals would vary....The base PS4 and XBox One should been retracted or indefinitely delayed

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Is the CEO of Projekt Red really responsible for educating consumers that seven-year old consoles are not going to match the visual performance of brand new high-end graphics cards? The last time I purchased a car, I don't recall the dealer informing me that it wouldn't run without my purchasing a steady stream of gasoline.