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Asus accidentally confirms GeForce RTX 3080 Ti with 20 GB of memory
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Asus accidentally confirms GeForce RTX 3080 Ti with 20 GB of memory
Round two!
By Isaiah Mayersen on December 26, 2020, 10:18 AM 43 comments
Editor's take: Since their September launch, there's been no new Nvidia RTX GPUs on shelves. Since their November and December launch, there's been no new AMD Radeon GPUs on shelves. Let's call that round one, and let's declare it a draw and look to round two: when there's cards on shelves, and gamers get to vote with their wallets, who will they crown champion?
Nvidia, says Nvidia. (Paraphrased for clarity.)
Nvidia came out swinging with the RTX 3000 series, but they've got a surprising left hook waiting in the wings. Asus has accidentally confirmed the existence of the RTX 3080 Ti, and revealed that it has 20 GB of memory. The new card targets the RX 6900 XT.
Asus' support site listed these two unreleased GPUs, but has since been updated to remove them. One might be a factory overclocked model, and the other a reference clock model. Via Videocardz.
A 20 GB variant of the RTX 3080 has been rumored for months, as have similar upgrades down the stack: 16 GB RTX 3070 models, and 12 GB and 6 GB RTX 3060 models, are also anticipated. Nvidia's Jeff Fisher, the senior VP of GeForce, is expected to announce them at a virtual event on January 12. Rumors suggest a February release.
On the performance spectrum, the Ti models will fall just above their vanilla counterparts. Increased memory will provide a few percentage points' worth of improvement, more at higher resolutions, and the rumored increased clock speeds and core counts could round out a ~10% upgrade. Their prices could be similarly boosted in a worst-case scenario, but will more likely land just a hair above the current MSRPs. The vanilla models might also be discounted as a result.
But questions remain. If Nvidia is selling every card they can produce already, why do they need upgraded versions? (Does this mean they're anticipating more stock?) If DLSS and ray tracing are GPU selling points, why aren't they prioritising those? (Fine, low blow on my behalf…) But, most importantly, will AMD strike back?
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Got something to say? Post a commentDecember 26, 2020 10:54 AMLuckyMenace
Nvidia is up selling simply because they were planning a response to AMD when their GPU drops. Nvidia saw that the 6800XT comes with 16GB of VRAM means that their upgrade SKU can come with 20GB. Nvidia already saw this coming so a simple doubling of VRAM is an easy answer. They also have plenty of chips not binned high enough for 3090 but too powerful for 3080 with a huge $800 price gap in between. It’s an easy fit to price it $899-1299 for the Ti variant.
I bet 3080 owners will feel shortchanged because many bought it for the 4K experience and 10GB is barely cutting it.
I bet 3080 owners will feel shortchanged because many bought it for the 4K experience and 10GB is barely cutting it.
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December 26, 2020 11:47 AM
CanAqua
There will not be any to buy since companies can't control the buy-out from resellers... oh nice pipe dream NVidia.
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December 26, 2020 12:09 PM
Nobina
It's good they are releasing these while there are stock issues. Once they are gone, hopefully soon, we will know exactly which card is the best for what.
December 26, 2020 12:24 PMtellmewhy
If it had and AV1 video encoder and decoder would be even better card. If AMD at the next generation of cards fill that gap together with dlss at 5nm would be the leading GPU.
December 26, 2020 1:01 PMShadowDeath
People should be used to it by now. Nvidia did this before with the 900 series cards. "There won't be a Ti model" - NvidiaNvidia is up selling simply because they were planning a response to AMD when their GPU drops. Nvidia saw that the 6800XT comes with 16GB of VRAM means that their upgrade SKU can come with 20GB. Nvidia already saw this coming so a simple doubling of VRAM is an easy answer. They also have plenty of chips not binned high enough for 3090 but too powerful for 3080 with a huge $800 price gap in between. It’s an easy fit to price it $899-1299 for the Ti variant.
I bet 3080 owners will feel shortchanged because many bought it for the 4K experience and 10GB is barely cutting it.
"Here is our new Ti model" - Nvidia back peddling like crazy a few months later.
It's a shitty situation to be in. Nvidia drops a 3080 and says no Ti model. People buy the 3080. Nvidia back peddles and announces the Ti model.. People WILL sell their 3080 and buy the Ti model. Nvidia sells more GPUs this way.
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December 26, 2020 1:04 PM
Uncle Al
Sounds like it's time to take out a 3rd Mortgage on the house .....
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December 26, 2020 1:19 PMCarmaine
This is definitely a crazy surprise. There's never been a **80Ti model ever.
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December 26, 2020 3:29 PM
amghwk
Those poor, restless 3090 owners who rushed to buy anything the most expensive as soon as they saw one out .....
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December 26, 2020 4:19 PMpcnthuziast
Tfw I haven't seen an nvidia gfx card selling anywhere near msrp for a decade.
December 26, 2020 4:34 PM
brucek
I don't understand their rollout strategy at all. Back in September, why not announce that first there will be supply-constrained 20GB 3080ti "collector's edition" for $999 available in Q4, and that the $699 version will be available in Q1 2021.
They'd still have sold out all their 2020 capacity, they'd have kept more of the margin vs giving it to scalpers, they'd have made better cards that will hold up better over time, and they're still free to make any adjustments to the lower priced 3080 based on AMD announcements as needed.
They'd still have sold out all their 2020 capacity, they'd have kept more of the margin vs giving it to scalpers, they'd have made better cards that will hold up better over time, and they're still free to make any adjustments to the lower priced 3080 based on AMD announcements as needed.
December 26, 2020 4:42 PM
psycros
The only thing Nvidia hates about scalpers if the the fact that their making almost as much as NVIDIA itself on their cards. Its the resellers who are getting shafted because the scalpers make MORE than they do. Why aren't Newegg, Amazon et all limiting orders by both credit card and delivery address? It would be nothing for them to code into their shopping carts.
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December 26, 2020 5:02 PMAustinturner
Some people think Nvidia is playing 4D chess, but I suspect they are in crisis mode because of supply and competition.I don't understand their rollout strategy at all. Back in September, why not announce that first there will be supply-constrained 20GB 3080ti "collector's edition" for $999 available in Q4, and that the $699 version will be available in Q1 2021.
My suspicion is that they anticipated that GDDR6X would be their supply limiting factor, so they cut the memory back across the range, instead samsung fab capacity or yield or something else hit them. Then AMD came out with more memory (most consumers won’t care its only gddr6) on cards that performed better than they expected and Nvidia have had to bring forward their higher memory Ti plans (which were always planned for when gddr6x supply improved).
They’ll probably shuffle prices around on the lower memory cards to make them more competitive and leave the Ti cards at a premium (room to move because gddr6x costs them a packet).
The one card that is dead in the water is the 3090, it was designed to scrape the cream from the top end of the market but it hasn’t had much time to do it and the Ti will have to be more competitively priced. I would leave it to wither and release a Titan later in the year.
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December 26, 2020 6:28 PM
Dimitrios
I "accidentally" tripped over my 3080ti and landed on my girlfriend. She is now pregnant!
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December 26, 2020 7:36 PM
PEnnn
Oh look, another nVidia card, Scalper's Edition!!
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December 26, 2020 7:59 PMloki1944
Seriously stop calling this crap an accident; reads like a tabloid.
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December 26, 2020 8:11 PMAustinturner
Do you think that Asus would have actually deliberately leaked this before Nvidia by listing it on a support site? It certainly looks like an accident (and nvidia is probably pissed at Asus for it).Seriously stop calling this crap an accident; reads like a tabloid.
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December 26, 2020 9:41 PMjonny888
Why would they care at all? They'll still have the better card, even if its only minor (and if someone bought a 3090, they probably wanted the best regardless)Those poor, restless 3090 owners who rushed to buy anything the most expensive as soon as they saw one out .....
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December 26, 2020 10:13 PMloki1944
Yes, because hype+advertising. I'm sure nvidia is heartbroken and enraged they didn't have the "accident" and the hype train is rolling.Do you think that Asus would have actually deliberately leaked this before Nvidia by listing it on a support site? It certainly looks like an accident (and nvidia is probably pissed at Asus for it).
December 26, 2020 10:23 PMAustinturner
A leak from nvidia might make sense at this time so that people hold off ordering an amd card...but a leak via an aib partner like this doesn’t seem like how they would go about it. Also, Asus has nothing much to gain from the leak. Also, if you are going to leak things deliberately, you still don’t want it happening on someone else’s schedule, hence nvidia is probably unhappy it happens out if their control.Yes, because hype+advertising. I'm sure nvidia is heartbroken and enraged they didn't have the "accident" and the hype train is rolling.
I don’t know why you think this particular case was deliberate?
December 26, 2020 11:20 PM
mongeese
Luckily, that's unlikely to happen. There are three ways in which Ti cards can be made superior to the regular editions: memory, clocks, and cores. The RTX 3090 already uses the maximum amount of GDDR6X memory that the architecture can handle, so they can't upgrade that. And the clock speeds can't be increased because there's already barely any overclocking headroom.I wonder what the 3090 TI specs will be?
The core count could technically be upped. The RTX A6000 has the maximum number of cores supported by the chip, at 10752. But the RTX 3090 already has 10496. So that upgrade is pretty negligible and Nvidia isn't likely to do it.
So yeah, no RTX 3090 Ti.
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December 27, 2020 2:19 AMtexasrattler
3090 wouldnt even get a TI label, it would just be called a Titan. Which is still a possibility, its just unlikely.
December 27, 2020 4:00 AM
ypsylon
If that is just "ordinary" 3080 but with 20GB then it'll be nice, but too expensive at 1000$ vs AMD recent releases.
However if that is long rumored 3080Ti, which is basically 3090 just with 4GB of VRAM removed, then it'll be another 1080Ti gold standard which will last for years as a card to go to for rendering. And... will render (pun not intended) any top tier AMD card completely irrelevant at 1000$.
However if that is long rumored 3080Ti, which is basically 3090 just with 4GB of VRAM removed, then it'll be another 1080Ti gold standard which will last for years as a card to go to for rendering. And... will render (pun not intended) any top tier AMD card completely irrelevant at 1000$.
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December 27, 2020 7:49 AM
Mister_K
This. When I seen that it's 10GB I laughed, why bother buying it? Save money, wait for Ti, Bobs ya uncle.Nvidia is up selling simply because they were planning a response to AMD when their GPU drops. Nvidia saw that the 6800XT comes with 16GB of VRAM means that their upgrade SKU can come with 20GB. Nvidia already saw this coming so a simple doubling of VRAM is an easy answer. They also have plenty of chips not binned high enough for 3090 but too powerful for 3080 with a huge $800 price gap in between. It’s an easy fit to price it $899-1299 for the Ti variant.
I bet 3080 owners will feel shortchanged because many bought it for the 4K experience and 10GB is barely cutting it.
I have problems with 11GB with 1080ti for certain VRAM excessive tasks, holding out for this and saving that dolla'
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December 27, 2020 9:15 AM
Knot Schure
How about these websites evolve to these new 'unobtanium' products - if they are not available for general sale, don't review, nor mention them, or at least don't include them in charts etc.
I gave up trying to get a 3080. I wonder how many really exist. Few thousand? Less? I know that sounds naieve - but I know a few gamers, and nobody got one. Even with being on the list, and so on, and so on.
I gave up trying to get a 3080. I wonder how many really exist. Few thousand? Less? I know that sounds naieve - but I know a few gamers, and nobody got one. Even with being on the list, and so on, and so on.
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December 27, 2020 9:40 AMScottSoapbox
I bought an MSI 3070 Gaming Trio X (or is gaming x trio) at it's MSRP. It did take over a month to arrive from pre-order though: Nov 6th order to Dec 21st delivery.Tfw I haven't seen an nvidia gfx card selling anywhere near msrp for a decade.
December 27, 2020 12:28 PM
Puiu
That's if it will be anywhere near 1000$. It might land at 1200-1250$.If that is just "ordinary" 3080 but with 20GB then it'll be nice, but too expensive at 1000$ vs AMD recent releases.
However if that is long rumored 3080Ti, which is basically 3090 just with 4GB of VRAM removed, then it'll be another 1080Ti gold standard which will last for years as a card to go to for rendering. And... will render (pun not intended) any top tier AMD card completely irrelevant at 1000$.
December 27, 2020 1:37 PM
Reehahs
The core config for both 3080 and 3090 have odd numbers in them, therefore, both cards have possibility of Ti versions:Luckily, that's unlikely to happen. There are three ways in which Ti cards can be made superior to the regular editions: memory, clocks, and cores. The RTX 3090 already uses the maximum amount of GDDR6X memory that the architecture can handle, so they can't upgrade that. And the clock speeds can't be increased because there's already barely any overclocking headroom.
The core count could technically be upped. The RTX A6000 has the maximum number of cores supported by the chip, at 10752. But the RTX 3090 already has 10496. So that upgrade is pretty negligible and Nvidia isn't likely to do it.
So yeah, no RTX 3090 Ti.
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December 27, 2020 1:42 PMLounds
The skus Nvidia keep releasing it's very similar to phone manufacturers who bring out half year refreshes of products with slightly better specs.
The thing is the evidence shows that Nvidia was always going to release a 80ti model as some point you only have to look at the last 6 years of Nvidia's products.
The thing is the evidence shows that Nvidia was always going to release a 80ti model as some point you only have to look at the last 6 years of Nvidia's products.
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December 27, 2020 7:32 PMPEnnn
Under normal circumstances, you could be right.A leak from nvidia might make sense at this time so that people hold off ordering an amd card...but a leak via an aib partner like this doesn’t seem like how they would go about it. Also, Asus has nothing much to gain from the leak. Also, if you are going to leak things deliberately, you still don’t want it happening on someone else’s schedule, hence nvidia is probably unhappy it happens out if their control.
I don’t know why you think this particular case was deliberate?
Except, now only scalpers and their bots are able to buy ANYTHING directly from nVidia (go to nVidia's website 1 day after any release and see for yourself) and if ANYTHING becomes available the next 6 months it will be from Asus and others.
So, essentially Asus is telling them where they can buy the stuff. nVidia is happy either way.
December 27, 2020 8:22 PMDonquixoteIII
Forgot the sarcasm tags....Luckily, that's unlikely to happen. There are three ways in which Ti cards can be made superior to the regular editions: memory, clocks, and cores. The RTX 3090 already uses the maximum amount of GDDR6X memory that the architecture can handle, so they can't upgrade that. And the clock speeds can't be increased because there's already barely any overclocking headroom.
The core count could technically be upped. The RTX A6000 has the maximum number of cores supported by the chip, at 10752. But the RTX 3090 already has 10496. So that upgrade is pretty negligible and Nvidia isn't likely to do it.
So yeah, no RTX 3090 Ti.
December 28, 2020 1:28 AMmongeese
One or two quirks doesn't mean there's enough headroom for an upgraded version.The core config for both 3080 and 3090 have odd numbers in them, therefore, both cards have possibility of Ti versions:
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Even Nvidia tries to be reasonable.Forgot the sarcasm tags....
Let's look at the RTX A6000, the most powerful (by rendering) and expensive Ampere GPU. It costs about $5000. Nvidia cannot physically manufacture a GPU any better than this, right now.
The A6000 has 10752 cores (2.4% more than the 3090) and a base clock of 1455 MHz (4.3% more than the 3090) and a boost clock of 1860 MHz (9.7% more than the 3090).
If the 3090 Ti had the same specs as the A6000, in other words, the very best Nvidia can produce, then it would still only be a few percentage points superior, theoretically. Reality is even more dismal: the 3090 has 21% more cores and the same clock frequencies as the 3080, so it is theoretically ~20% better, but is actually about ~10% better in testing. What I'm saying is, a 3090 Ti couldn't even exceed a margin-of-error performance boost. It is not a product that can exist. (If I'm wrong, I'll buy you two a beer.)
I wouldn't rule this out - but the Titan RTX version 2 wouldn't be any better at gaming than the 3090 (unless it came with a built-in water cooler or nonsense like that). It would just have different drivers.3090 wouldnt even get a TI label, it would just be called a Titan. Which is still a possibility, its just unlikely.
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December 28, 2020 8:05 AMKnot Schure
I haven't seen a watercooled 3090 on the market, but I have seen a watercooled 3080.Manup and get the 3090.
I'm not willing to lose another GPU warranty by adding the EKWB etc blocks myself.
December 28, 2020 11:21 AMReehahs
I will take up on your offer. My counter in return is; if Nvidia does not release the Ti variant of 3080 or 3090 based on an even configuration of core bits in the chip within an year, I will get a Techspot membership.One or two quirks doesn't mean there's enough headroom for an upgraded version.
Even Nvidia tries to be reasonable.
Let's look at the RTX A6000, the most powerful (by rendering) and expensive Ampere GPU. It costs about $5000. Nvidia cannot physically manufacture a GPU any better than this, right now.
The A6000 has 10752 cores (2.4% more than the 3090) and a base clock of 1455 MHz (4.3% more than the 3090) and a boost clock of 1860 MHz (9.7% more than the 3090).
If the 3090 Ti had the same specs as the A6000, in other words, the very best Nvidia can produce, then it would still only be a few percentage points superior, theoretically. Reality is even more dismal: the 3090 has 21% more cores and the same clock frequencies as the 3080, so it is theoretically ~20% better, but is actually about ~10% better in testing. What I'm saying is, a 3090 Ti couldn't even exceed a margin-of-error performance boost. It is not a product that can exist. (If I'm wrong, I'll buy you two a beer.)
I wouldn't rule this out - but the Titan RTX version 2 wouldn't be any better at gaming than the 3090 (unless it came with a built-in water cooler or nonsense like that). It would just have different drivers.
BTW, I like my beer non-alcoholic.
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December 28, 2020 2:05 PM
Pretty sure EVGA's warranty allows you to do this. Also, just keep the original cooler and put it back on if any issues come up?I haven't seen a watercooled 3090 on the market, but I have seen a watercooled 3080.
I'm not willing to lose another GPU warranty by adding the EKWB etc blocks myself.
December 28, 2020 3:42 PM
Malakai2k
Nvidia is like that one try-hard kid in high school.
"A person who puts a large amount of effort into achieving a certain image, or counter-image, to the point where it is obviously contrived. Rather than achieving an image through genuine personality, the try-hard consciously attempts to fit a certain style through deliberate imitation, forced style, or scripted behavior. That is to say, he/she is trying hard to create an image."
"A person who puts a large amount of effort into achieving a certain image, or counter-image, to the point where it is obviously contrived. Rather than achieving an image through genuine personality, the try-hard consciously attempts to fit a certain style through deliberate imitation, forced style, or scripted behavior. That is to say, he/she is trying hard to create an image."
December 28, 2020 5:59 PMMarkoni35
Nvidia often release video cards with weird RAM size (e.g. 896 MB, 3 GB, 6 GB, and now 20 GB) and weird memory bus width. Kinda like Intel has odd frequencies, usually fractional (2666.666666). On the other hand AMD sticks to simple and effective standards. Round or integer CPU clocks and geek-friendly memory sizes (2 GB, 4 GB, 8 GB, 16 GB, etc).
December 28, 2020 10:20 PMDonquixoteIII
ASUS, Gigabyte and EVGA all offer water cooled variants. Possibly MSI. Look better.I haven't seen a watercooled 3090 on the market, but I have seen a watercooled 3080.
I'm not willing to lose another GPU warranty by adding the EKWB etc blocks myself.
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