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Google Admits Gemini Is 'Missing the Mark' With Image Generation of Historical P...

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Google Admits Gemini Is 'Missing the Mark' With Image Generation of Historical People

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Google's Gemini AI chatbot is under fire for generating historically inaccurate images, particularly when depicting people from different eras and nationalities. Google acknowledges the issue and is actively working to refine Gemini's accuracy, emphasizing that while diversity in image generation is valued, adjustments are necessary to meet historical accuracy standards. 9to5Google reports: The Twitter/X post in particular that brought this issue to light showed prompts to Gemini asking for the AI to generate images of Australian, American, British, and German women. All four prompts resulted in images of women with darker skin tones, which, as Google's Jack Krawcyczk pointed out, is not incorrect, but may not be what is expected.

But a bigger issue that was noticed in the wake of that post was that Gemini also struggles to accurately depict human beings in a historical context, with those being depicted often having darker skin tones or being of particular nationalities that are not historically accurate. Google, in a statement posted to Twitter/X, admits that Gemini AI image generation is "missing the mark" on historical depictions and that the company is working to improve it. Google also does say that the diversity represented in images generated by Gemini is "generally a good thing," but it's clear some fine-tuning needs to happen.
Further reading: Why Google's new AI Gemini accused of refusing to acknowledge the existence of white people (The Daily Dot)
  • https://nitter.tux.pizza/Sohra... [nitter.tux.pizza]

    Can't generate images of people with fair skin it would seem. And this observation will be fuel for fire of the wildly racist conspiracist nazi idiots too. Just all round bad.

    Carmack makes a decent point: "The AI behavior guardrails that are set up with prompt engineering and filtering should be public — the creators should proudly stand behind their vision of what is best for society and how they crystallized it into commands and code. I suspect many are actually

    • Their guardrails have pushed the diversity and inclusion narrative so hard it is now indistinguishable from the great replacement conspiracy theory. One would think they would turn it down a bit but then this is 2024.

      • Re:

        It's time to stop calling it a conspiracy theory, and call it just a conspiracy.

  • Sounds like it was doing exactly what it was programmed to do.

    Missing the mark might literally translate as sinning, but Google seems to be using the vernacular meaning of "a slight mistake".

    Apologies without admission of guilt, contriteness, and a clear description of remediation are phoney.

    Let's see the code diffs and how they came to be. The appearance of appalling and shocking ethical banruptcy is present. This a isn't minor bug - it appears to be deliberate corporate racism. It's probably illegal for a public corporation too.

    If you mean to sell AI services you can't get there by being untrustworthy.

    Maybe this is all a big mistake and the code will be exonerating rather than damning.

    Call the hand.

    • "Sounds like it was doing exactly what it was programmed to do."

      Yep, Augmented Idiocy at its finest.

    • by elcor ( 4519045 ) on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @09:25PM (#64258644)

      yep, and because google is too arrogant to tone it down, they showed us the true danger of generative AI: mass control of narrative
    • Re:

      Isn't this an extension of what English-language TV and movies have been doing for years, from Hollywood to the BBC?
      For example, there were an amazing number of black people in 16th century England, apparently.
      And "For All Mankind" creating an alternate universe where women are as interested in engineering as men are. I wish it were real, but no.

      Why can't we acknowledge and respect our differences, instead of pretending their don't exist? It's like they think diversity is a bad thing, unless it is only sup

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @08:26PM (#64258554)

    Ask it to generate an image of Japanese people in Tokyo, and tell it to include a black man with a Japanese girl. It will flat out tell you it "it is against my policy to generate images that could be construed as promoting stereotypes or harmful content."

    • Re:

      There are Black Japanese. And white. In fact, the assumption that they aren't Japanese, even when they speak perfect Japanese, has become a bit of a meme in Japan: https://youtu.be/oLt5qSm9U80 [youtu.be]

      I don't want to defend Google's screw up here, but depicting Japanese people as sometimes Black and sometimes white is entirely accurate.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @08:29PM (#64258558)

    I'm not. The disgustingly racist ideology that helped to create this AI is everywhere. It's in our entertainment, it's in our institutions. It has brainwashed an entire generation people into believing absolute lies about Western history and white people in general.
    • The results are entertaining, though. I asked for a picture of The Pope, and got back a guy who looks like Eddie Murphy in his 30's dressed like a Catholic Bishop. Go search for examples on X/Twitter, they're awesome!

      The premise alone has potential for Hollywood blockbuster!

      • Re:

        It's actually somewhat interesting that there hasn't been a Black pope yet. Catholicism is strongest in non-white countries. Then again, they tend to depict Jesus with white skin.

    • Things that are not racist:
      - Black history month
      - Black pride
      - Black power

      Things that are racist:
      - White history month
      - White pride
      - White power
        • Re:

          I don't think that actually works.

          We don't have a problem celebrating National Hispanic Heritage Month, and Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month, or displaying the corresponding pride. Even though Hispanics and Asians each represent a range of nationalities.

          The term "White" as used by both sides is basically "European" heritage/culture, which isn't any different in usage than "Hispanic" or "Asian". The right may feel we don't have enough of it, and the left feels we have too much, but we agr

            • > What joint heritage/history would white heritage month be acknowledging?

              Western Civilisation?

              Anglo Saxon common law?

              50% of all the worlds inventions were invented by the Britush.

              The abolition and destruction of the slave trades, everywhere, against the will of many?

              Shakesspere, Dickens, John Loke, Newton, Alan Turing all of which shaped many aspects of the modern free world.

              The list is pretty extensive. The main problem is those "not white" seem to be self educating into the idea that they downt own any of this while being born into the western civilisation that they are part of. They have no ties other than ancestral ones to far off lands, so they try and re-connect to that. Well that never works.

              Tolstoy, Dickens, Turning, Dolly the Sheep all belong to them as Western culture is THEIR culture. They should think nothing of the fact those people were white, there is no reason to draw new colour lines in the sand but that is exactly what they are being told to do as they are told they are cultural orphans, and here in the UK that is usually something they are told to import from the US. When in fact they are merely black or mixed westerners and they should fully adopt and live and breathe this culture. The people from their past were largely white because thats what they were duh! Many of the politicians and inventors and speakers of the future will be white, black or mixed but regardless, western.

              The new inventions and writings that are to come, frequently seem to get attributed to their ancestral culture when they make it. Which is just crazy, almost reverse appropriation, like they are exporting their acheivents as if they below to Nigeria or somthing which they have never been to and have no alligence to besides some loose idea that they are connected to them.

              I'm part French and Scottish ancestrally speaking. I went to France once, but I wasnt sucking up my ancestral culture, finding my roots and feeling like I was home. No, in fact I was wishing the week to end so I could GO home lol. I hated it. I never liked the language, cant stand the food apart from select items like cheese, cakes and bread. The music drives me nuts. Wine is lovely I must say, as is their animation, but still its not mine at all. My surname is the only connection I have to my French roots and thats all I care to think about. I'm English, with a French name, nothing more than a talking point at parties and an interesting bit of family history for the family tree. Thats it. I'm a bit Scottish too, and being Britush I feel a tad more connected to my Scottish roots but not by much, more of a curiosity I'd like to explore. I'm still English though.

              I can do it, so should they.

              • Re:

                >"I'm part French and Scottish ancestrally speaking. I went to France once, but I wasnt sucking up my ancestral culture, finding my roots and feeling like I was home. "

                I am American. I don't know my ancestry and I don't care about my ancestry, because I am an individual. I try to treat others as individuals, not groups. My immutable characteristics don't define me or others. I am not responsible for anything anyone else did, and I should be recognized and rewarded for my own accomplishments and held r

              • Re:

                Just picking a few of your examples, are you seriously suggesting that people like Shakespeare, Dickens, and Newton are not well known? Or not taught as part of multiple classes in school, including history, English literature, and science?

                As for the abolition of the slave trade, I'm pretty sure that the US Civil War is well known. While Britain's part in it is not often taught in school, when it is it tends to get whitewashed. The focus is on the people who campaigned to have it abolished, rather than the

              • Check this guy out. He doesnt like french food except cakes and select breads. Oooo controversial
        • Re:

          > You can celebrate Irish pride, British pride, French pride, Germany pride

          Well actually:

          - Irish pride = St Patricks day, where eveyone Irish, or not Irish but believes they should be so, can have an excuse to get pissed.

          - French pride = Every day the French try and protect anything to do with French culture even to the point of being racist.

          - British pride = That gets you arrested these days, unless a sporting event is running then you have an excuse to wave St Georges cross, as long as it also explain

      • Re:

        I know this is just a troll, and I'll get modded to hell for it, but the reason is simple: systemic injustice.

        White History is just History. Most of what is taught in Europe and the US is White History.

        White Pride would only be needed if being white was widely portrayed in a negative light, especially historically. In fact the opposite is true. White tends to be the default, light skin sets the standard for beauty, etc.

        White Power is just every "Western" country where the majority of people in power are whi

  • If AI was trained using only data from our very best minds, and it is NOT, the best response we could ever hope for is that of a student who wasn't paying close attention to the Teacher. AI cannot extrapolate brilliance because it doesn't know what brilliance is.
  • Anti-white piece of shit company. The sooner they die, the better.

  • by CEC-P ( 10248912 ) on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @10:55PM (#64258812)

    The AI was made by delusional liberals who live in a cult VERY distant from reality and it has no logical consistency. So now they tried to make an AI that lives there too and it's defective. The only thing it's good at is openly showing that they want minorities to blame white people for all their problems and use them as an excuse for everything while they have their lefty government cronies pretend to give them free shit every single election in exchange for votes and then backstab them EVERY SINGLE TIME. And if that sounds paranoid, 97% of black people vote Democrat on average in the last 20 years.
  • by stikves ( 127823 ) on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @11:46PM (#64258874) Homepage

    And that is why folks open source is really important.

    Take a look at this gallery for models:
    https://civitai.com/ [civitai.com]

    These are all (?) derivatives of the famous "Stable Diffusion" and its versions. The results are photorealistic, and you can run this on your machine, or a free cloud account. And, yes, they are also diverse, without sacrificing any particular group.

    Unfortunately this might be our current limit, though. Training completely new versions of these models take literally millions of dollar, and the newest one from stability.ai "Stable Cascade" does not seem to be open.

    One more thing:
    https://aligned.substack.com/p... [substack.com]

    "Aligning" the models with your restrictions have great costs on multiple fronts. What we see here today is one of them. Generally dumbing down (lobotomizing) their capabilities is another major one.

    So, it really makes sense to push for more open, more accessible AI.

  • by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Thursday February 22, 2024 @01:49AM (#64258996)

    It is much worse than presented in the summary and links. Check this out for a lot more examples (which are both shocking and yet also funny at the same time):

    https://notthebee.com/article/... [notthebee.com]

  • Dear Americans, you are obsessed. It's a circus. Both "sides". Maybe it's time to quit this culture wars thing because it's not helping.
  • Why doesn't Google give openness about how they biased Gemini?
  • Seeing the extent to which some of those big corporations are willing to pander to the wokes, I'm finding it hard to understand. Ultimately the goal of corporations is to make as much money as they can. I get that these people think they will get some positive PR from their pandering which will ultimately increase their profits down the line. But in this case, if you want to generate an image of a Scandinavian woman, you're obviously not looking for an image of someone black. So the pandering results in a p

  • It is open secret that radical left in general and Google in particular are rabidly anti-white racists. You don't need to dive into DEI tenets or understand what is behind calls for reparations to see that, you only have to look at vile racist shit that AI trained by these ideologues produces. The only difference - AI is not smart enough to not say the quiet part out loud.

    Also, do you think the AI used by HR to hire or AI used in Youtube moderation decisions is any different?

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