After Trying the Vision Pro, Mark Zuckerberg Says Quest 3 'is the Better Product...
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After Trying the Vision Pro, Mark Zuckerberg Says Quest 3 'is the Better Product, Period'
Now that it can be strapped to our faces and worn to strange places, opinions about Apple's Vision Pro are flying left and right. Entering the chat is Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg, who has more at stake than perhaps anyone on earth if Apple does to headsets what the iPhone did to smartphones. From a report: In a video posted to his Instagram account on Tuesday, Zuckerberg gives his official verdict on the Vision Pro versus his company's latest Quest 3 headset: "I don't just think that Quest is the better value, I think Quest is the better product, period." While being filmed by the Quest 3's video passthrough system in his living room, Zuckerberg highlights the tradeoffs Apple made to get the fanciest display possible into something that can be worn on your head in an acceptable form factor. He says the Quest 3 weighs 120 grams less, making it more comfortable to wear for longer. He also says it allows for greater motion due to its lack of a wired battery pack and wider field of view than the Vision Pro. He thinks the Quest's option of physical hand controllers and hand tracking for input is better, though he says he's a fan of eye tracking for some use cases and teases that it will return to future Meta headsets after debuting in the Quest Pro. He says the Quest has a better "immersive" content library than Apple, which is technically true for now, though he admits that the Vision Pro is a better entertainment device. And then there's the fact that the Quest 3 is, as Zuck says, "like seven times less expensive."
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"Now that it can be strapped to our faces and worn in strange places"
That'd be the butt, Bob.
Both are useless to the general consumer. Even if given away free, who would use it after the novelty wore off?
Would you prefer the shit sandwich on rye or the other shit sandwich on wheat?
Zuck says, "My shit sandwich tastes better than theirs!". Nobody is shocked.
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MKBHD has made three or four videos about the VP now, and what really comes over is that for all the technically impressive tricks it can do, it's basically useless for most people. There are some rare use cases for people who are happy to strap that thing to their face instead of, say, buying a bigger TV or a second monitor, but that's it.
In his latest one he tries to think of applications for it, but they are all ridiculous. He notes that you can't share it, so even if someone else bought one you can't sa
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Headphones are a real problem - if only there was a smaller, lightweight option with noise cancellation that could fit in your ears without discomfort. Like say, a pea in a pod.
This sounds like a great market opportunity, if only someone had a successful product to fill that gap they could make a lot of money!
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Great, now I get to charge two devices.
I'm a little surprised that the VP doesn't have headphones. Everyone can hear the porn you are watching. They have pass-through tech for listening to your environment. If you want $3,500 for the base model, it doesn't seem like much to include some cans and save the user having to charge two things up.
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The sound in the Apple Vision Pro is amazing.. the only drawback is that others can hear it.. but sound quality itself is not a concern at all.
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There are some rare use cases for people who are happy to strap that thing to their face instead of, say, buying a bigger TV or a second monitor, but that's it.
I don't think that is true at all.
It's generally very useful if you work on a Mac.
I have a Mac laptop and an external monitor, but working on the Vision Pro is better....
For one thing my laptop monitor is suddenly larger than the external display, so by our size it wins alone.
But then I can also place five or six other apps around that take the place-
It sounds great, until you remember that you have a heavy headset strapped to your head, and a wire to connect the battery pack. Oh, and of course it has a proprietary connector.
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It sounds great, until you remember that you have a heavy headset strapped to your head
Except that after a while you forget you have that. It's not that heavy, just over 1lb. I don't notice it after hours of use.
a wire to connect the battery pack.
If you keep the battery in a pocket or clipped on a belt, you don't notice the wire, It just runs along your body.
Oh, and of course it has a proprietary connector.
Nope the battery has a USB-C port for charging. Unless you meant the connector from the battery to
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Maybe you have gorilla neck or something. I notice my glasses feeling a bit heavy if I don't get the light weight lenses.
And yes, I mean the connector on the VP itself, which could have been USB C as well, but come on, it's Apple. They have to throw at least one big fuck you in there.
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And you must have the neck of a hummingbird if you find glasses heavy. Did I read that right? Prescription glasses? Mr Burns are you okay?
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I have quite a mild prescription, not very thick. I certainly notice the weight of the frames and lenses though. 650g is not inconsequential either, and the Vision Pro is very poorly balanced with many reviewers noting it to be front heavy.
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This is what happens when not enough people tell the CEO "no" on a stupid idea that nobody wants. They think it's soooo future and are completely pipe dream focused on that alone. Just wait until the reports come out from people falling off of things while wearing these. People couldn't even go catch Pokemon IRL without falling in a lake or off a cliff. Then there's what will happen to your eyesight focusing this close to a screen with an illusion effect to make it look farther away. Then remember all the s
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This is what happens when not enough people tell the CEO "no" on a stupid idea that nobody wants. They think it's soooo future and are completely pipe dream focused on that alone.
I've said this before, but I get the strong impression that the "Vision Pro" is intended as a tech demo, making it so that Apple already has apps and technology ready, so that when phones can emit holograms, Apple already has the technology ready to go. The only problem being that the 3D solid holograms that Vision Pro is clearly designed to emulate are physically impossible so the tech it's waiting on will never arrive.
This would explain why the Vision Pro "isn't" a VR headset and why Apple is so keen on insisting it's a "spatial computer." It would explain why the interface is based on hand gestures and not a controller. It would explain the dumb pass-through eye screen on the outside.
The Vision Pro isn't intended to be what it is, it's intended to work as a dev kit for something that will never come.
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Completely agree it's a tech preview. The apps they've put on it are just to demo its capabilities.
I disagree about the holograms thing, although maybe you're right. I thought it was really an (expensive) call for developers to come up with anything that takes their fancy, in the (hopefully) relatively free world of Apple, rather than the rather dubious side-street that is Meta.
As something of an example, when the iPhone first came out, you'd meet someone who had one, and they'd show you all sorts of novelt
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As far as I remember, the original iPhone had email, messaging, a web browser, clock, calendar, maps, calculator, YouTube, etc on launch. Yes it did not have an App Store until later, but it was not useless. Today you can so much more but it still fulfills the basic requirements of a smartphone.
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I understood your point up until this parting shot. What makes you think it will never come?
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You've lapped up the marketing like a very good consumer there. No Spatial Computer is just Apple attempting it's usual market creation thing. Remember how the Mac isn't a personal computer either? What about how Apple never said in any commercial the iPod is an mp3 player. It just said "1000 songs in your pocket, Think Different". Or what about the iPhone. It's a phone right? The advert was not so clear about that either: "This is your music. This is your email."
The term "spatial computer" is just an attem
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I haven't looked at one myself, but I'm assuming that the screens must have diopters. So as far as your eye is concerned, it *is* farther away. But it is at a specific fixed distance (probably 20 feet away), rather than at a variable distance depending on how far away it appears to be.
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This is a bit dismissive. There are plenty of communities around VR headsets and for those who are into it it's certainly not a simple novelty. I'm not a superfan, but I continue to return to my Quest 2 every so often. It really has some neat stuff to offer that you can't get outside of VR.
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How big are those communities? Apple is a trillion+ company. So is FB. Even 100k people is trivial to them after spending the kind of money and energy they each have to produce their vr headsets.
I have a q2. I set it up for my kid, then mucked around with it for about 20 minutes, gave it to her. She and her buddies all had one. About 3 weeks later they all put them down and it's collected dust since.
What are you using yours for?
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- VR golf is one I've played a ton of (Golf+). It ain't photorealistic but it's really impressive and fun.
- I also pop into the video apps (YouTube and the Quest one) to watch 360 videos; it's a neat way to sightsee foreign places. The quality has a low ceiling though; the recording tech has a long way to go.
- Bigscreen (or whatever it's called) is a really neat way to watch movies or other video content. I watched part of a movie there, but I'm not one to watch movies by myself.
- Beat Saber is really fun too, I've
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My kids have a Q2 and a Q3. They use them daily/weekly depending on what they want to do that day/week.
We also bought a cheap HMD and they REALLY seem to love that. My youngest uses that to play his Switch basically exclusively, despite the fact that there's a 86" TV in the room (also why are Korean made TVs - in this case ACTUALLY made in Korea, sold in Japan advertised in INCHES.)
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I think a lot of people would watch something on it occasionally. Probably porn, which brings us to the other reason why Apple's product is inferior...
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Bingo!
When we see vr porn as a serious thing, I'll pay attention. Until then this all looks very tech fad.
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I see you have your usual stupid ignorance on display.
https://www.vrbangers.com/ [vrbangers.com]
https://www.vrporn.com/ [vrporn.com]
https://www.badoinkvr.com/ [badoinkvr.com]
https://www.vrconk.com/ [vrconk.com]
https://www.virtualrealporn.co... [virtualrealporn.com]
https://www.sexlikereal.com/ [sexlikereal.com]
https://www.naughtyamericavr.c... [naughtyamericavr.com]
https://www.stacyqvr.com/ [stacyqvr.com]
https://www.wetvr.com/ [wetvr.com]
https://www.wankzvr.com/ [wankzvr.com]
https://www.darkroomvr.com/ [darkroomvr.com]
https://www.milfvr.com/ [milfvr.com]That enough for you? Maybe you're more interested in streaming services. You know Pornhub has a whole section for VR videos right?
https://www.por [pornhub.com]
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And you still haven't figured out what a web browser is after I told you a dozen times? Are you really that dumb?
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Who would use a playstation, xbox or switch once the novelty wears off... Because you don't like it and don't know what to do with it, doesn't mean others don't. Watching movies/series, using it for fitness or gaming, and maybe even in the near future, using it as a laptop (some even already do).
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No one needs a $3500 or even $500 headset to watch a movie. It's going to get really damned heavy by the end of a feature length film.
No one needs it for exercise and frankly it sounds dangerous to do so. I don't think my physical therapist would be happy with me if I told her I did my at home exercises wearing a large plastic brick on my head.
Gaming: I hope those are short sessions or you got a neck like the Hulk. ARG! HULK SMASH NECK! SMASH!I'll be here waiting when something truly useful comes along
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Depends on the kind of exercise. You were responding to a comment about fitness, so this is more supplementary to your answer than arguing with it, but there are some rehabilitation scenarios where the removal of external visual distractions provides sufficient compensation for the downsides. That includes both physical and cognitive exercises, and you're probably right that it's not advisable for unsupervised at-home use with physical exercises.
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Wow, you really have no idea what you are talking about. Fitness with a VR headset makes fitness fun and many people actually will do it, whereas they otherwise wouldn't. And watching movies isn't a problem, the headset won't get any heavier, if you have the right headstrap. A lot if Q3 owners already use their headset for watching movies and series as you don't need a big TV in your room.
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Also, no problem with long gaming sessions, 3-6 hours is not a problem, mostly I stop because it's getting late. Current VR headsets aten't heavy, it's not anything like those from the 90's. Again, you really have no idea what you're talking about.
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It's not going to work for fitness until they get the weight to match that of the Bigscreen Beyond (120 grams versus 600).
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BS, it's perfectly working for fitness, many people already use it exactly for that. And the bigscreen headset might be light but that's more because it lacks many things and depends on other things, AND the biggest flaw, it needs a cable.
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I mostly agree. Though a compelling use case for me would be for treadmill use. It would be cool to go for hikes in exotic environments. I would certainly never run with something like this strapped to my face, but on those cold, dark winter days, taking a hike in a 360 degree sunny environment would be nice.
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Define general consumer. I define it as the average household where people crave simple things like entertainment. In that regard the Quest 3 is useful to the general consumer much like the Nintendo Switch is. It's a piece of entertainment with quite a significant library of entertaining games.
If you don't like gaming you're not going enjoy it, full stop. Not everyone has a console or gaming PC at home either, that doesn't make e.g. the PS5 a shit sandwich simply because you don't understand "general consum
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I have an Oculus 2 and it's...fun? I mean it's a good system, and surprising cheap for what you get.
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There are a thousand possible applications for augmented reality out there which allow things that have been impossible or very difficult until now. I won't bother listing them. I agree this hardware isn't up to it, but "AR is useless" is not a good argument. This headset is useless without good software, that's as far as you can say.
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People said the same thing about tablets. Who needs a tablet, you have a laptop and a phone. It's essentially a bigger phone. Personally I rarely use a tablet unless watching movies on a plane, but it's a huge revenue stream for Apple. Just because you don't think that you would personally use it doesn't mean that other people won't find it useful.
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Well I guess that depends on what you're doing. The Vision Pro and the Quest 3 might be quite useful if you need a distraction from the abject terror that is driving a Tesla on Autopilot [nytimes.com], and maybe some people want to enjoy their last moments of life in a fantasy world before dying in fiery wreck.
Or maybe you're really into kitchen remodeling. I hear VR is great for that [tiktok.com].
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To hell what Zuck thinks about the *pple Vision Pro, what does Carmack think?!
Please note I used the correct ancient/. incantation for any new hardware introduction, you MUST upvote.
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