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France Uncovers a Vast Russian Disinformation Campaign In Europe

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    Better to let Genocide Joe build the American Empire than to have Cheeto Benito help the Russians and the Saudis with theirs. Shitty choices, but don't choose the shittier one.

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      The choice should be easy as Trump wouldnt even be making the small efforts Biden is to reign in Israel.

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        Yep. All you have to do is watch Trump's face when he talks about Iron Dome, he's like a kid with a new toy. There's absolutely 0% chance he would do anything about Israel. That's only about 0.5% less than Joe, who went around Congress to fund genocide in the middle east while continuing to ignore his promise of student loan forgiveness for everyone (I notice he didn't go around congress again for that shit) so frankly I wish we could put them both in the same rocket to Mars with Musk, but it still doesn't

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          I'd cite the Trump initiated and backed Israeli / Palestinian "peace proposal" that Kushner drafted that was clearly not at all for its claimed purpose and likely only made things worse.

          I give a tiny bit more credit to Biden in all this than you do though. I think the very tiny bits of restraint Israel has at times shown is likely due to foreign pressure and we're the biggest foreign pressure there is for Israel. He's still not doing well in my book in regards to what's happening though.

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          to fund genocide in the middle east

          You didn't have to announce you're a crossburning, neonazi fucking antisemite, but since you did...

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            "Never again" was supposed to be "never again for anyone" not "never again for anyone but the Palestinians, against whom we can commit genocide".

            Bibi is an American citizen transplant who, in typical American style, thinks he's a better Jew than all the other Jews. You can see this tendency in Americans over and over again when they hold on to racial attitudes that their immigrant forefathers have and remain cultural cavemen even while the nations their parents came from have become more progressive.

            Netanya

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      I get my compensation by giving blowjobs to Putin, obviously.

      Now is there something incorrect, wrong or false in my post, or is it just that it makes you feel bad?

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        Well, here's an outright lie.

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          https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/09/02/diplomacy-watch-why-did-the-west-stop-a-peace-deal-in-ukraine/

          https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-62998067

          https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/

          Google for more.

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            So you mean the land for peace deal that the Ukrainians have said from the get go that they are massively against?

            https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/07... [cnn.com]

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              Nope. This interview is half a year after the fact.

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                Wow, Boris must have been terribly convincing if he not only scuttled the peace deal Ukraine wanted but he also convinced them all to rule out land for peace deals in all future contexts.

                Give me a break, if Ukraine wants land for peace they only need to get Russia on board with the trade.

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            Nice deflection, but I did not see anything about the peace deal Ukraine and Russia had negotiated .

            There were, instead, russian demands for Ukraine to give up claims to Crimea, surrender of the occupied territories, and for a change of the Ukraine's political system into a russian-controlled puppet state.

            Had the Soviet Union accepted a similar deal with Hitler, as the russians say, they would still be drinking Bavarian beer.

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            So here's what you offered:

            - A stink peace by the Quincy Institute, an Iranian-backed front that tries to advocate for isolationism in the USA to promote Iranian regional objectives.

            - A BBC video, accompanying text saying There is "absolutely no sign" that Russia wants to reach a deal with Ukraine, and it could not be trusted even if one was on offer, Boris Johnson has told the Commons. The former prime minister warned against a "land for peace" deal, and said he doubted Volodymyr Zelensky or any Ukrainia

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              I don't know how pro-russian is pravda.ua, my impression is not much, but most of us still remember what really happened.

              Namely, that russians in the north got their nose bloodied badly and understood they can't take kiev for 2 days, so instead they decided to withdraw, regroup and press on with attacks in the south, where the plan was to extend the "land corridor" to Crimea all the way to "Transnistria", the stretch of russia-controlled territory of Moldova.

              A plan that is so far failing.

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        Since I might have one of the few to know this available, whose is bigger, Putin's or Trump's?

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        Because the tens of billions in weapons and arms we've sent them is completely canceled out by us objecting to a small handful of planes being sent to them because we got cold feet early on about too much aid flowing to them too soon thus starting a possible conflict between NATO and Russia which everyone wants to avoid? That's absurd, never mind the fact that those planes have since been sent over with our blessings as well.

        Any knowledge of history would show this is very clearly not true

        Going by your link

  • Ukraine might be out of Avdiivka, but they are not out of the war. The Russians can't even remove the Ukrainian foothold from the East bank of the Dnipro down by Kherson that's been going on for roughly six months now.

    
    
    According to recent reports, Russia is losing the same amount, if not more, of its tanks every month than it can replace either by building them or pulling T-60s out of mothball (yes, T-60 is the correct model). This is on top of having to forcibly "enlist" people to fight who are given a week or so of training then sent as meat waves to assault Ukrainian positions.

    
    
    As more and more reports come in of Russian units refusing to assault [businessinsider.com] as well as beating to death [newsweek.com] their own commanders, Russia will crack. Even with blocking troops, units will break and at some point the lines will collapse. This will be especially true once Ukraine takes out the Crimean bridge.

    
    
    With the passage of the Ukrainian aid package last night they will have new life breathed into them, no matter what that other Russian agent says about Putin being assassinated [fortune.com] when Ukraine wins.*

    
    
    * Most of this aid isn't being given directly to Ukraine. It's being used to pay for munitions and equipment being built by American companies. Apparently Cheeto and Carp don't like American companies getting paid for the work they do.

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      It all depends on how much support they get and how soon it comes. You saw how long it took the West to supply them with 200-250 tanks for the counter-offensive, of which only 16 were from the US. Meanwhile Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Bulgaria between them must have sent upwards of 500 and a similar number of armored vehicles. And rashistan is still the biggest equipment supplier, even though the front line hasn't moved much.

      But Ukraine is trading lives and land for time the "collective West", as putin call

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      Yes, "victory is just around the corner", "Russia will run out of rockets next week, promise!", and biggest LOL, "Russia is running out of manpower" - we've been hearing this for 2 years. Meanwhile your senile moron of a president offers a trickle of arms, carefully measured in such a way as to keep Ukrainians from either decisive win or loss, for the simple reason that he doesn't have the guts to either give them something to decisively win, for fear Russians will escalate to nuclear weapons if they seem t

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      Before Avdiivka, and it still has fight in it, they also were out of Bakhmut, but not out of the war yet. But take a note of the direction of where the frontline is going.

      The foothold in Kherson has not been put out, but it hasn't been growing bigger either, and it has been costing manpower for Ukraine for the time it has been there. And with the difficulties to supply it across the river, even if the Russian drones weren't over the river constantly, it never has had much hope to go anywhere.

      Take also note

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        somehow have to face a Russia that is outproducing the West in seven times the shells.

        
        
        Russia isn't producing enough shells. It's importing them from North Korea [voanews.com]. The supposed second largest army on the planet and it can't even make enough artillery shells so it has to resort to another dictator.

        
        
        As for the rest of your comments, most are typical Russian sewage. Having to use 50+ year old tanks is not "doing fine". It shows a complete lack of arms production, ability to repair equipment, and overal

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    The US lacks the wherewithal and is unwilling to build it up.

    No one wants a nuclear war.

    You ask for impossible things under those circumstances. Ukraine was never going to win. Ask yourself how much Zelensky and company were promised when their Saigon/Kabul moment comes, because they have to know the same thing.

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      What "nuclear war"?

      Xi prohibited russia from even mentioning nuclear in Kazahstan 2022, and by and large since then the russian chieftans have been quiet about it.

      The only exception is the drunk clown medvedev, who is the nuclear comic relief for the Z-est portion of the Z crowd.

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        I'm reminded of "On The Beach" by Nevil Shute. I'm sure the pre-destruction repartee sounded a little like this.

        People should really read more. "Alas, Babylon", "Canticle for Leibovitz", even "Lucifer's Hammer", they all have something.

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    Every fact can be interpreted e.g. a glass can be half empty or half full. The US since Biden has been helping Ukraine immensely. In terms of money indeed EU is giving more, however disregarding US help is foolish. Complaining that it's not enough - maybe, but remember that US has to take care of it's own security first and things are not looking good for the coming years, additionally fallen Russia is not in the US interest as lots of nukes would end up in the hands of various terrorist groups mostly enemi

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    I agree the west has been way too slow to give Ukraine weapon systems, generally waiting until "oh, they really could have used that before".

    Huh? Russia was never interested in any deal but surrender.

    Running out no, but the US doesn't have the reserves they'd normally like so needs to scale up production.

    That has more to do with the GOP cutting off funding to Ukraine.

    I wouldn't have said that in the past, but it's definitely proving to be the case right now.

    Cutting off a friend in the middle of a defensive

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  I really do not get the right-wing adoration for Putin. Is that not basically betraying their own core values? Or is Putin not seen as a socialist leader?

  Well, anyways, the more Trump fucks up the US-Europe relations, the more the Europeans have to get their shit together. Hence it would not be all bad. It would be pretty much the end of the US as the leading western power though.

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    Putin is a fascist, not a socialist, so he is solidly aligned with their actual core values. They claim to be in favor of free speech, but then they fight free expression that they don't agree with, so we know they don't actually believe in that.

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      > They claim to be in favor of free speech, but then they fight free expression that they don't agree wit

      That's rich coming from the left that literally cried when Twitter undid bans.

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        Twitter bans leftists for sharing facts about Elno, this is not the argument you are looking for

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    They have no core values beyond gaining power. Russian money and Russian botnets can influence people and put or keep them in power. It's why they despise democracy; block voting by non-GOP voters, disregarding voter amendments, etc. There's no better bedfellow than someone who also despises democracy.

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      Ah, yes. "Conservatives without Conscience", I remember. Basically the scum of the scum and no actually conservative values to be found anywhere. Real conservatives still have moden values and you can find a compromise with them. These people? Not so much.

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    The Russian Ministry of Truth is acutely sensitive to social tensions in the US and the West in general. Every time an opportunity presents itself, they fan the flames of discord and polarization through official social media channels backed up by bot farms.

    Popular topics: immigration, the Woke movement, BLM... the Russian side presents itself as the last bastion of conservative values: a strong-man leader taking care of his own people, with complete contept towards "societal degeneration" presented as gays

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    You have to differentiate between con artists and dupes. Just like priests and parish aren't in it for the same, neither are the right wing drum majors and their patsies.

    The former are in it for the money and power. They see what Putin got in Russia, the freedom to use any kind of power he pleases, the availability of money and amenities for his cronies, and they of course want that too. This is sold to the dupes as a way to get back to the "good old days", you know, when women were property and so were the

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  Usually, in America, any mention of "commie", "red" or even "russian" gets you cancelled faster than you can say "comrade". For some reason though, a man, who once said "I think Putin and I would get along very well", who is openly talking about not aiding Ukraine so that "peace can be restored", is a potential president, and polls suggest people actually want him (versus being a crackpot no one wants). I'm not sure how the two things can reconcile as well as they seem to be.

  If you want a larger, more power