Microsoft announces a Surface event for September 21

With all these slow, heavy, pen&touch unfriendly web tech based first party apps and OS controls, Surface became useless... anyone feeling pumped or empowered?

On 17/08/2023 at 06:35 PM, dontbeevil said:

With all these slow, heavy, pen&touch unfriendly web tech based first party apps and OS controls, Surface became useless... anyone feeling pumped or empowered?

I feel like Windows, its included apps, and Office over all have become VASTLY more touch/pen friendly.

Also many of the apps are now much less memory intensive compared to the old when I open both side by side and inspect them in Task Manager

On 17/08/2023 at 07:35 PM, AltecXP said:

I feel like Windows, its included apps, and Office over all have become VASTLY more touch/pen friendly.

Also many of the apps are now much less memory intensive compared to the old when I open both side by side and inspect them in Task Manager

is that a joke? take:
- old native witeboard and new web based one.
- photos app, try to edit a photo with old native one and new web based one
news, weather, mail (vs new outlook)...

On 17/08/2023 at 06:35 PM, dontbeevil said:

With all these slow, heavy, pen&touch unfriendly web tech based first party apps and OS controls, Surface became useless... anyone feeling pumped or empowered?

It has gotten very difficult to find talented native developers. Cheaper to just get a Javascript jockey to whack these small apps out. They're garbage, but most people don't know anything but Facebook and Instagram, so they won't notice the difference.

On 17/08/2023 at 07:39 PM, dontbeevil said:

is that a joke? take:
- old native witeboard and new web based one.
- photos app, try to edit a photo with old native one and new web based one
news, weather, mail (vs new outlook)...

Not at all.

No problem with Whiteboard I use it all the time to do random drawing when bored.

Photos app works just fine for a quick drawing on or image resize. Anything more I use a actual photo editor.

News/Weather, just fine literally never noticed ANY difference.

I don't use Mail, refuse to. I will never know why ANYONE ever used ANY version of that POS, I use Outlook, and when it became available the NEW Outlook. It responds just fine with 0 issues, and uses less memory than even full Outlook while having a LOT more features than Mail.

On 17/08/2023 at 06:35 PM, dontbeevil said:

With all these slow, heavy, pen&touch unfriendly web tech based first party apps and OS controls, Surface became useless... anyone feeling pumped or empowered?

I kind of agree with you.

The trend to PWAs and Electron wrappered web apps is frustrating and yeah, they really don't hand;e touch and pen well because of course, web designers barely design webpages for mice let alone touch or stylus...

But there are a lot of native apps that actually do handle pen and touch well. It's one reason I'm glad MSFT doesn't seem to be planning on eliminating Intel/AMD based devices like Apple did... those apps would pig into the ground on ARM (if they worked at all) since there's very little incentive to port apps to ARM if they already exist for x86.

On 17/08/2023 at 07:35 PM, AltecXP said:

I feel like Windows, its included apps, and Office over all have become VASTLY more touch/pen friendly.

Also many of the apps are now much less memory intensive compared to the old when I open both side by side and inspect them in Task Manager

True until you get to Win11 then things kind of went backwards. Like the taskbar. If you own a Surface 8 or later with a typecover with a slim pen silo, when it's attached to the front of the screen, it actually covers a bit of the taskbar making it harder to hit icons with your finger, and there's no way to make it larger or move it like you could in 10.

I've also found just weird behaviour on my SP8/Win11 that just never happened on my SP3/Win10 like having to tap the close box on windows repeatedly, dragging windows by the titlebar missing or doing that weird shrink/shadow effect to show it's selected and obscuring where you're touching because it moved the window under your finger...

I just feel that like a lot of things in Win11, the UI/UX is more about pretty visuals than productivity or well thought out interactions.

On 17/08/2023 at 08:30 PM, Skwerl said:

It has gotten very difficult to find talented native developers. Cheaper to just get a Javascript jockey to whack these small apps out. They're garbage, but most people don't know anything but Facebook and Instagram, so they won't notice the difference.

Yep, and old native app coders like myself just get tired of the whole "web app good everybody make web app me make web app" thing that we just give up and either become web devs or retire.

The loss of any UI/UX standards, consistent UI or UI behaviour (I mean did we really need a thousand different text entry widgets that all work a little differently?) or even just complying to some kind of standard (seriously, try writing code that handles content dragged from a web browser or PWA app to a native app.. dear lord that is insane and each browser does it differently)... yeah... we're screwed.

On 17/08/2023 at 08:30 PM, Skwerl said:

It has gotten very difficult to find talented native developers. Cheaper to just get a Javascript jockey to whack these small apps out. They're garbage, but most people don't know anything but Facebook and Instagram, so they won't notice the difference.

It is harder,because they made harder...but if MS really wanted ai know enough great native devs that would love to make their app amazing with native tech... But no,they decided to go the lazy way. I'd be curious to know the size of the winui/winappsdk team, looks too small

On 17/08/2023 at 08:37 PM, AltecXP said:

Not at all.

No problem with Whiteboard I use it all the time to do random drawing when bored.

Photos app works just fine for a quick drawing on or image resize. Anything more I use a actual photo editor.

News/Weather, just fine literally never noticed ANY difference.

I don't use Mail, refuse to. I will never know why ANYONE ever used ANY version of that POS, I use Outlook, and when it became available the NEW Outlook. It responds just fine with 0 issues, and uses less memory than even full Outlook while having a LOT more features than Mail.

"I feel like Windows, its included apps, and Office over all have become VASTLY more touch/pen friendly."

Than you say that you draw a bit on whiteboard, try with big boards and also check the quality of the drawing with the pen.

"Also many of the apps are now much less memory intensive compared to the old when I open both side by side and inspect them in Task Manager"

You forget to check the memory with the example I gave you.

Lol i really hope you're just been sarcastic

No Surface Pro 10 would be a misstep.

I was thinking what the name was going to be. It has to be 10 not X.

If it contains last gen processor then I am outta here 😁