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French Govt Wants To Inject Domain Blocking Lists Directly Into Web Browsers - S...

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Online piracy, now being linked with malware, identity theft, and banking fraud, has prompted a coordinated concerning campaign for tougher legislation beyond copyright laws. The French government, news website TorrentFreak reports, is considering an ambitious approach: integrating state-operated domain blacklists into web browsers. This step is well-intentioned, indicating an evolving strategy in battling piracy.
  • "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

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      Also, if you give them a pinky, they can take the whole hand afterwards. This is just NO. Although, I'm using Linux and Firefox for it, I have no doubt I would be able to get a "clean" alternative for it. Thinking about it, everyone would be able to install a "clean" version eventually, I have no doubts.

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        Until they made using your own version a felony.

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          Oh yes. It wouldn't be the first time the government criminalising a piece of software. We all know how it goes in the end.;) The only thing criminal here is their knowledge of computers and computer technologies.:)

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      I don't even think this is well intentioned. This is just a plausible excuse to try to curtail freedom with the hope that the public won't notice.
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      It is certainly the road to hell, but I am more and more doubting the good intentions.

  • Heh. (Score:4, Insightful)

    This step is well-intentioned.

    Only if you consider corporate interests well-intentioned. Also, how do they propose to enforce that?

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      Corporate interests, hell. Once this is in place, anything that is politically inconvenient to the people in charge becomes piracy (or they'll stop pretending and add "terrorism" to the list of things blocked by it, and they are, indeed, terrified of any form of dissent).

      Same way they enforce everything else: fine the software companies that create browsers until they comply or leave the EU (at considerable cost in revenue) and get their domains completely blocked by the Great Wall of France.

      They're taking

    • They'll screw you over every time. And you won't see it coming.
  • The first thing pirates will do is turn off the blacklist in their browser.

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      You mean get hit with a felony charge for trying to disable an anti-terrorism safety feature?

      Who says there' be a way to turn these off anyway?

      And if you ran your own compiled version then you're clearly a terrorist who has a weaponized browser.

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      Sounds like they're trying to integrate it into the same blocklists that are used for malware and fraud.

      Piracy is a common vector for malware, I'll grant, but so are ads. Corporate interests will not allow them to even consider blocking ad networks.

  • To block any website talking with any positive light about the ongoing riots.
  • If one can make antivirus software that blocks things, ad blockers, and firewalling software that blocks attacks, then a government can force software that would scan for suspected piracy tools (could even be something like SoftICE), and block or redirect stuff that the state doesn't want you to see (could be IP violations one day, could be Le Pen's opponents the next, could be any sites debunking propaganda the third day). Add to this something like a NAC where the router or upstream checks signatures on

  • It says, "...the administrative authority notifies the electronic address of the service concerned to the providers of internet browsers..."
    The EU regulations do have a definition of "web browser", but no defintion of "provider" of a browser.
    Whom do they envision notifying, and how?

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      It is disconnected from reality anyways. Anybody can build a simple browser themselves these days, there are enough libraries out there for that.

  • After the first few drone strikes hit malware guys homes the rest will find other jobs.

  • Make it the browser's problem so that when it doesn't work politicians have a nice scapegoat. They are trying to fix the completely wrong end of the problem.
  • Not only the French government wants to force browsers to have built-in ad blocking capabilities, they also intend to provide us an up to date list list of where we can download stuff for free.

    Ok, I know about signatures and hashes, and also, considering it is the French government, the list won't be up to date, and it won't be done anyways.

    As for blocking malware, all majors browsers do it, to varying degrees.

  • We! zeeseeng, yickanobeedunn. Oui, cette chose, cela ne peut pas Ãtre fait. Uh, non, mes amis.
  • This would be the most easily circumvented anti-piracy "feature" ever conceived.

  • Well-intentioned my ass. Fuck you.

  • ...all French government & intelligence websites, as I find those unsafe and delivering spam... right?

  • so repos will to have builds for each jurisdiction?

    also the apple app store will be forced to allow non apple webkit use if needed to pull this off?

  • To block malware domains (Google SafeBrowsing, Firefox Phishing Protection). The reasoning of bureaucrats is along the lines "well, the feature is already there, might as well use it for whatever we consider malicious".

  • So are these State Operated Black Lists going to be automatically loaded into State Operated Browsers?

    Unless there's a country wide proxy with mandatory browser certificates to function, there is no chance this can work. Even with it, it just ups the bar a bit to bypass.

    Some legislators learned buzz words like domain and blacklist with no understandng of reality.
  • At least that is my stance here. I am sure many will agree.

    Also, what the hell is "well intentioned" here?

  • Large companies with full control over their firewalls, internet lines and workstations already are in a constant battle to keep up with these types of actions, the idea of doing it on a national scale and at the browser level no less is not just technologically and culturally infeasible but speaks of assinine misunderstanding of how the internet works.

    China is doing it the actual "right way" in that they have control over the border devices in and out of the country and even they barely seem to have contro

  • OK, Firefox and Chrome are probably browsers. Is curl? Or wget? How about if I hack something together in Perl using LWP? Will the LWP libraries need to include the blocklist? And a way to prevent me from disabling it?

    Typical out-of-touch politicians. If they really wanted to do this, they'd mandate state-controlled DNS servers and block DNS traffic except from those servers... I'm sure that's how their fellow authoritarians like China, Cuba, etc. do it.

  • And TPM. And why Windows 7 is "insecure". Defend your right to use "insecure" software and "insecure" boot, im serious, as AI censorbots will be baked in to Windows 12 and Flatpak'd Linux distros.

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