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Apple M2 Ultra Benchmarks Show Cupertino Didn’t Beat Intel, AMD, Or NVIDIA
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As suspected, Apple Hubris > reality. If only Apple had given us an upgradeable MP with the latest Intel tech we'd be happy.
Apple M2 Ultra Benchmarks Show Cupertino Didn’t Beat Intel, AMD, Or NVIDIA
Apple's bombastic claims aside, the M2 Ultra offers solid performance—just not world-beating.
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DarkPremiumCho
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Good to see the competitors are kicking…
Apple’s departure from Intel’s ecosystem dates back to the introduction of the T2 chip, perhaps earlier. I don’t think Apple is going back.
Apple’s departure from Intel’s ecosystem dates back to the introduction of the T2 chip, perhaps earlier. I don’t think Apple is going back.
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AMD's new chips with PCIe 5.0 support are almost here too. It will be interesting to see how the Threadripper & Threadripper Pro 7000 series compare.
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Not just Apple hubris but the armies on the forums as well, like what we’ve seen for the last week or more - just endless non stop.
Apple seems to be the master of benchmarketing, hopefully more media calls them out.
Let’s see what other machines come along for less money and more performance.
Apple seems to be the master of benchmarketing, hopefully more media calls them out.
Let’s see what other machines come along for less money and more performance.
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Maybe, but you'd need to have an electrician install a three-phase outlet to run it.As suspected, Apple Hubris > reality. If only Apple had given us an upgradeable MP with the latest Intel tech we'd be happy.
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Po Dameron
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I still think they intended to have an impressive M3 Mac Pro ready, but when those plans fell apart, quickly slapped the existing M2 Ultra into the Mac Pro 2019 case and said voila, transition complete!
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I agree I think the M3 is going to be what the Mac Pro was intended for.I still think they intended to have an impressive M3 Mac Pro ready, but when those plans fell apart, quickly slapped the existing M2 Ultra into the Mac Pro 2019 case and said voila, transition complete!
M1 > M2 is not a giant leap. M3 will be 3nm.
I wouldn't be surprised if they have a giant leap in M3 and maybe add PCie support in the future and more RAM. And perhaps do a M3 Extreme.
7,1 is no more difficult than any of the other computers I use, running from the same power outlet as other things on my desk.Maybe, but you'd need to have an electrician install a three-phase outlet to run it.
Too much trolling of recent.
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I believe you missed the joke there.7,1 is no more difficult than any of the other computers I use, running from the same power outlet as other things on my desk.
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I think this isn't Apple failing to keep up; the M2 Ultra is clearly a desktop chip, drawing way less power than those other competitors.
It's that Apple didn't even try to compete in the workstation arena. They weren't benchmarking Xeons or Threadrippers here. Apple should have put out a 4x M2 Max chip (double the Ultra) to be in that category.
It's that Apple didn't even try to compete in the workstation arena. They weren't benchmarking Xeons or Threadrippers here. Apple should have put out a 4x M2 Max chip (double the Ultra) to be in that category.
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It was reported they decided that wouldn't sell in enough volume to even earn out the engineering cost.I think this isn't Apple failing to keep up; the M2 Ultra is clearly a desktop chip, drawing way less power than those other competitors.
It's that Apple didn't even try to compete in the workstation arena. They weren't benchmarking Xeons or Threadrippers here. Apple should have put out a 4x M2 Max chip (double the Ultra) to be in that category.
Analog Kid
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There's no evidence of that. I think there's been an internal debate of the value of Mac Pro. Mac Studio probably convinced them that a large fraction of Pro users are served just fine by the Studio, and enough of the rest just need PCIe for the use cases they called out in the Gruber interview.I still think they intended to have an impressive M3 Mac Pro ready, but when those plans fell apart, quickly slapped the existing M2 Ultra into the Mac Pro 2019 case and said voila, transition complete!
They aren't trying to get machismo points in the HPC world or fight their way into those markets. I was kind of hoping they would show what you can do when make a processor more efficient by putting more processors in that box, but I don't think they'd win much more than bragging rights with it...
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Yeah. They tried to get into that market in the G5/Xserve/cMP era, but they'd clearly given up by 2009-2010, and most of those markets that *might* have tried a Mac were burned by Apple from 2010-2020, and were unlikely to come back even if the new machine had been crazy good.There's no evidence of that. I think there's been an internal debate of the value of Mac Pro. Mac Studio probably convinced them that a large fraction of Pro users are served just fine by the Studio, and enough of the rest just need PCIe for the use cases they called out in the Gruber interview.
They aren't trying to get machismo points in the HPC world or fight their way into those markets. I was kind of hoping they would show what you can do when make a processor more efficient by putting more processors in that box, but I don't think they'd win much more than bragging rights with it...
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Guess it's time for me to start building a Hackintosh.
I don't think it's worth going down that path. You may as well just get a Lenovo PX (P10) and then do upgrades however you want. It looks to be well designed.Guess it's time for me to start building a Hackintosh.
Windows 11 is a nice OS - I use it on my 7,1, it is way better than Windows 10.
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