The Talk Show Live From WWDC 2023 is now available to watch on YouTube. Daring Fireball's John Gruber discussed the Vision Pro and other WWDC announcements with Apple's software engineering chief Craig Federighi, hardware engineering chief John Ternus, AR/VR chief Mike Rockwell, and marketing chief Greg Joswiak.


The on-stage interview took place on Wednesday at the California Theatre in San Jose, California, and runs for approximately two hours.

Check out our WWDC 2023 recap for more details about Apple's announcements, and be sure to listen to our special edition of The MacRumors Show podcast recorded at Apple Park. We were also able to test the Vision Pro and shared our first impressions.

Article Link: The Talk Show Live From WWDC 2023 With Craig Federighi and Others Now Available on YouTube

Staged as on a stage or staged as in questions and answers are all prewritten?

Gruber is getting less and less likeable every year unfortunately.

Constantly calling out Mark Gurman even though he turns out be completely wrong, dumb Twitter takes, etc...

I’ll buy this front-facing display rumor if there’s a Cylon mode.

Otherwise I’ll stick with my previous understanding that this is an internal joke that has been taken as real; that it would look goofy, not humane; and that even if it didn’t look goofy, it would make no sense to add the financial cost of an outward-facing display to an already-expensive device, and even less sense to incur the battery-life drain of powering that external display on an already-battery-life-constrained device.

Craig killed it at the end with the guitar session. Coolest SVP at Apple. What a legend! 🐐

Make Craig the next CEO of Apple, please. He will do exceptionally well.

The only win here is that it’s not Rene Ritchie. I swear that guy craps out AirTags.

yegon said:

The only win here is that it’s not Rene Ritchie. I swear that guy craps out AirTags.

How many on average do you think? Just trying to evaluate if that ability could earn a living.

Can anyone summarise any hot takes from the talk?

Love these interviews, but John Gruber always seems noticeably more uncomfortable on stage compared to the Apple execs.

Apple Knowledge Navigator said:

Can anyone summarise any hot takes from the talk?

Haven't gotten through the whole interview yet, but when discussing the 13" MBP Joz dropped a great comment about "and if you still want a Touch Bar, there you go."

Gruber is becoming less and less relevant every year. He used to be great. Not sure what happened

Those great days are long gone

"We wanted to add to your world, not take you into some strange other world." Greg Joswiak

This point is a big part of what has caught my attention. So many naysayers continue to complain about how this is so isolating. I don't want to escape the world. That's a large part of what I do not like about Meta's vision. And I think this core philosophy is what separates AVP.

John Gruber, Rene Ritchie, iJustine all culled from the same smelly pile of day old monkey exhaust.

Too much?

tripsync said:

Gruber is getting less and less likeable every year unfortunately.

It’s all gone to his head … honestly thinks his opinions for some reason should have any/more weight to them vs anyone else.

Had to unsub to everything involving him a few years ago now.

He is a wonderful tool for Apple PR to use however … and boy oh boy do they use it.

Timo_Existencia said:

"We wanted to add to your world, not take you into some strange other world." Greg Joswiak

This point is a big part of what has caught my attention. So many naysayers continue to complain about how this is so isolating. I don't want to escape the world. That's a large part of what I do not like about Meta's vision. And I think this core philosophy is what separates AVP.

I’d be pretty skeptical about believing Apple’s public narrative about their intentions.

turbineseaplane said:

I’d be pretty skeptical about believing Apple’s public narrative about their intentions.

And yet the work they've done on passthrough, on being able to see your eyes from the perspective of someone not wearing the device, the way a person who enters your frame of view is passed into your vision. These are concrete examples of the philosophy at play. So far, I'm seeing the philosophy in action compared to other devices in the market.

Really eye opening that it seems they rushed the Reality Pro to the show when it's not even a finalized product. I wonder if they were worried about leaks, copycats? ARP just seems like it's a couple of generations away (and according to Kuo they are already working on consumer versions) away.

TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️ said:

Craig killed it at the end with the guitar session. Coolest SVP at Apple. What a legend! 🐐

Make Craig the next CEO of Apple, please. He will do exceptionally well.

A legend? Well, OK.

BTW, most CEOs aren't chosen for their relationship with a guitar. And what he played was very unimpressive.

dwaltwhit said:

Staged as on a stage or staged as in questions and answers are all prewritten?

both

Red Oak said:

Gruber is becoming less and less relevant every year. He used to be great. Not sure what happened

Those great days are long gone

Old age? Losing touch with the younger generation?

Red Oak said:

Gruber is becoming less and less relevant every year. He used to be great. Not sure what happened

Those great days are long gone

Agree. Bring back Mossberg or get someone better like Jason Snell to interview them

Regarding the stability of items (like monitors you place)...they claim that even on a plane, that will be moving with turbulence, etc, the items will stay in place. That's great.

"Really eye opening that it seems they rushed the Reality Pro"

Selling to end users not the point right not. Its developers, potential business use cases, and uber power users who will buy any thing new and Apple (bigger market than you might think).

Oh and one more thing. I think, and have said before, that this launch is to throw down a marker to say that Apple's tech is so much better and more robust than the latest HoloLens iteration Microsoft is supplying to the Army for development into a battlefield augmented vision system. Microsoft is failing and the Army has promised Congress they will seek another supplier if Microsoft can't fix the problems pronto. The problems include user nausea that make soldiers refuse to wear the head sets.

The contract is $22billion, an Apple sized number. Apple just bought Mira, a small AR company that has several (very small) contracts to supply headsets to the military.

I think Apple wants that contract.

Gruber asks if this will be for Pro Software...

...and they seemed to vacillate on the ability to run Pro apps, even like Final Cut Pro, which is now available on the iPad. So, not sure exactly what the take away was here.

dwaltwhit said:

Staged as on a stage or staged as in questions and answers are all prewritten?

You should watch it, Gruber calls them out on the Mac Pro not having GPU support and why the Touch Bar MacBook is still being sold

tripsync said:

Gruber is getting less and less likeable every year unfortunately.

Constantly calling out Mark Gurman even though he turns out be completely wrong, dumb Twitter takes, etc...

Mark Gurman Recaps His Reporting on Apple’s Upcoming XR Headset and He’s Sticking With the Front-Facing Display for Googly Eyes

Link to: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-05-18/apple-s-mixed-reality-headset-may-define-tim-cook-s-legacy

daringfireball.net

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Funny thing is he wasn’t technically wrong. Having a screen outside with eyes does look goofy and it costs extra and has a hit on battery life like he said, but he can’t make Apple look wrong so he will probably change his take about the whole thing.