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Apple Unveils M2 Ultra Processor (venturebeat.com) 65
Posted by msmash
on Monday June 05, 2023 @02:00PM from the how-about-that dept.The chip will go into the Mac Studio product, which previously used Intel silicon. These are machines like those used by engineers to deliver Saturday Night Live or create blockbuster movies, said Jennifer Munn at Apple. Apple said this completes the transition to Apple silicon. Developers can build new versions of apps at warp speed, with up to 25% faster performance than in the past, Munn said. The 32-core neural engine is 40% faster at AI calculations. It supports 192 gigabytes of unified memory, which is 50% more than M1 Ultra.
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how many pci-e lanes does it have?
as the new mac pro does seam to have an pci-e switch in it
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well storage be slowed down by it (even more so with an multi disk pci-e based storage raid) as well workstation level video in
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That's pretty cool...only 134 transistors to create 24 cores?!? Me thinks you got the number wrong,
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I'm kind of curious about the minimum number you could get away with. The Inte 4004 only had about 2,300 transistors which is pretty crazy. Obviously the ISA was far simpler than what we have today, but it's still impressive.
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The 4004 is a bit odd in that the ROM and RAM chips are involved in instruction decoding. The instructions are visible on the bus, and the RAMs and ROMs detect relevant instructions and handle address decoding/latching, etc. Without that, the 4004 itself would have needed more transistors.
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The 4004 is a bit odd in that the ROM and RAM chips are involved in instruction decoding. The instructions are visible on the bus, and the RAMs and ROMs detect relevant instructions and handle address decoding/latching, etc. Without that, the 4004 itself would have needed more transistors.
The 4004 is basically just the logic instruction core. The 4004 by itself was relatively useless - it was sold as part of a chipset - there were 4001 to 4007 chips I believe - consisting of RAM chips, ROM chips (programmab
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also, last I checked, the mac studio always features some sort of M1 apple silicon processor
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Me thinks venturebeat got the number wrong. The correct number (134 billion) is even in the slide at the top of their article. Maybe the/. editors are moonlighting for VB?
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How's that for area efficiency?
(read the slide, it's 134 billion)
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Yes, stopped reading at that claim/quote:
How did that slip by the editors?
Oh, it was msmash, never mind...
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It is RISC, so efficiency is pretty important! I bet the laptop running the 134 transistor chip can run off battery for 60+ hours!
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I didn't know Moore's law started in 2009
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Everyone: Editors, you had ONE job!/s
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192GB is to low for an pro workstation with vampire video
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What the hell is vampire video?
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Sounds like you ran out of vampire video memory while posting.
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An example of what would happen if he bought that new piece of shit Mac Pro, which is basically an expensive Mac Studio with PCIE cards. Seriously Apple? Are we back to the trashcan days? No expandable memory. One SOC. No SATA slots, No M.2 slots. 192GB ram max. Onboard storage.
That is not a workstation. It is a toy with a workstations skin. And for $7k!? Hah. Go fuuuuuck yourselves.
I have an Intel Mac Pro 2019. It has 320GB of RAM, and several 12TB spinners and some 2TB GumSticks. It was dumb expen
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I had no idea that so much could be done with just 134 transistors.
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just think what can be done with 68000
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They're Apple. They can make anything electronic using stone knives and bearskins if they need to.
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640k ought to be enough forever.
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I know a processor with 1,000 times as many transistors. I give you the Intel 80286!
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Will the MK Ultra processor be able to read your mind.
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and with the MK3 Ultra wavenet one you can go line with it.
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There's no link in TFS, so I can't verify, but doing 24 CPU cores and 76 GPU Cores using 134 transistors is a feat I didn't think could be done. Slashdot must have switched servers to use this new CPU because I tried to post this seven times before it worked, but that's what you get for 134 transistors.
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Omg! That transistor count! How does this new thing stack up to the Apollo Flight Controller? Please, don't obfuscate your information behind 'core count.'/. was always a nudist colony so far as tech goes. Why do we even put up with such information-free articles anyway? Was it something I did?
Bare your tech. We'll all appreciate it. If you only have 134 transistors to work with, that's little better than a few guitar pedals strung together.
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Replying to myself, since/. still doesn't know what editing means. I needed a laugh. Thanks for giving me one, half-chewed Apple.
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Did they ever solve that problem with running Intel binaries? Just askin'. I was issued an M1 mac for work a few months ago and they had to take it back and go find an Intel Mac somewhere, as the software I was supposed to be developing on was Intel only. Side note, trying to get the IT guy to understand that M1 is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURE was a real adventure. They do understand that now.
I'm perfectly happy with my Intel mac, but I know this is only an interim solution.
I'm aware that vendors
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The M1 macs have had the ability to emulate intel code right from the start, it's called rosetta 2 and it works pretty transparently. I still have one or two apps which run under emulation.
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This was June 2022, was it available then?
It might be moot. At the time, the only solutions that IT would support were VMWare and Parallels, both had versions that would run, (vmware I think was beta) but in both cases, they'd only allow ARM instances -- no code translation was supported. And the software I needed to run was not compiled for ARM. As an added complication, it wasn't compiled for Mac -- I was expected to run Linux virtually and then run the software on the Linux instance. But there was no
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Rosetta isnâ(TM)t installed by default. You have to explicitly install it. And yes, it was available last summer.
Iâ(TM)m happy with the Intel MBP I got two years ago. By the time itâ(TM)s up for a refresh (five years at our company), Iâ(TM)d hope that the ARM ecosystem has matured including better support for Windows ARM from Microsoft ⦠but weâ(TM)ll see.
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Rosetta isnâ(TM)t installed by default. You have to explicitly install it. And yes, it was available last summer.
Either way, it is moot. The original poster needed to run Intel VMs, which can't be usably done on ARM-based Macs currently, because Rosetta emulates only enough instructions for user-space applications, not to run a full VM with synchronization across multiple CPU cores.
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Thanks, that answered my original question, could it be done today, and the answer seems to be, not yet.
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You can, of course, run the ARM versions of Linux or Windows, and at least in the latter case, run x86-64 binaries using Microsoft's emulator. So the main impact is that you can't run existing VMs or virtualize older versions of macOS. The latter is what bit me.
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Gods if you just go ahead and disable translation from ' to (pile of crap) under general keyboards smart punctuation, that would be GREAT
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Rosetta 2 was available at launch (late 2020) and even on the developer machines which came earlier than that.
Linux has always had the ability to run non native binaries via qemu-user, so you install linux for arm and then qemu-user to run x86 binaries or whatever architecture your binaries were compiled for.
It's rarely used because most linux software is open source and can already run natively on ARM.There is also windows for arm, which has its own facility to run non native binaries.
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At the time I was working on this, my assignment was to develop in a proprietary software package that ran on Linux for which source was not available. Furthermore, running it on the ARM version of Linux under a translator, even if possible, was not supported. So no help there.
I'm aware that there's a Windows version on ARM. It's not generally available, and you have to join the Microsoft developer's group to get the bits, but that's not difficult to do.
The problem, again, was that the software I needed
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Virtualization software was one of the few types that couldn't run under Rosetta 2 at first. Which is understandable, given how deep it goes into the system architecture. But I think both VMWare and Parallels now support Intel virtual machines, and the whole bundle (including the virtualization software) gets run under Rosetta 2.
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Ok, cool. Maybe it's time to give the M1 another try.
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There are limitations on what Rosetta 2 can do, though. You can't, for example, run an x86-based operating system as a VM (Windows or macOS).
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SuperKendall is about to tell you how stupid you are. Didn't you get the memo? Apple doesn't allow the term "emulate" to be used when describing Rosetta. It "translates" the x86 instructions, don't ya know, totally different!
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That makes no sense. Rosetta 2 has shipped on Apple Silicon Macs from day 1, allowing you to run Intel binaries. Maybe you mean Windows Intel apps? For that, use Parallels and run Windows ARM, which includes an emulation layer to let you run Windows Intel apps.
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Exactly.
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I covered this in another reply. The software ran on Linux, so the plan was to run Linux in an emulator, then install the software on that instance. Except there was no version of the software compiled for Linux on ARM, and even if it ran in a emulator on a Linux instance (that makes my head hurt thinking about it) that solution was not supported by the vendor.
Similarly, I could get ARM Windows running as an instance, but the software components I needed to run under Windows were also not compiled for ARM
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docker on mac is not that good
In summary, running Intel-based containers on Arm-based machines should be regarded as “best effort” only -
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I've read about that, but it seemed iffy. The shortest path was to trade for an Intel Mac and let someone else worry about those kinds of solutions, at least for now.
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Sweet. Even the 8085 from 1976 needed 6,500. What are they doing with all the extra space in the case? Government spying?
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That's over 5 transistors per core. Surely they can do better.
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The Mac Pro is mostly the same as the Studio, only with PCI slots. No upgradable memory, reduced to 192GB from 1.5TB and the Intel Mac pro is discontiuned. Hope you like Hackintoshing, as that's the only way to get a new Intel Mac now.
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Yeah I wonder what happened to the Jade 4C-Die version of the M processors? That was ment to be double the Ultra and give you 384GB of RAM. Which is far more usable on a Workstation class machine these day.
That extra 3k also gets you much better cooling and a big PSU, so in theory they could clock the M2 Ultra a fair bit higher. Will be interesting to see benchmarks
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What's with all the crApple spam?
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If only it was possible to skip news for nerds that you aren't interested in! Oh wait.../s
There are quite a few of us graphics programmers and animators very interested in what Apple is doing. Traditionally this would be x64 + CUDA so Apple providing an alternate is very "geeky" and "news".
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The original road map had a chip that doubled the Ultra and would have allowed 384gb of ram. Which a lot of Workstation users will want these days.
The first gen Studio had to under clock the GPU on the Ultra due to the PSU running too hot and not being able to deliver enough juice. The Mac Pro had much much better cooling and larger PSU, so hopefully Apple let the chip run to its full potential in that machine.
Will be looking out for the bench marks.
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... but what will Apple be leaving out of the machines to make them yet thinner? The RAM? The PCB? Electricity?
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