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New York State Is Set To Ban Fossil Fuels In New Construction Starting In 2026 -...

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New York State Is Set To Ban Fossil Fuels In New Construction Starting In 2026

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New York is expected to be the first state in the U.S. to phase in a ban on fossil fuel equipment in new construction. The ban is included in the $229 billion state budget deal and will likely take effect in 2026 for most new buildings under seven stories and in 2029 for larger buildings. NPR reports: New gas stoves or propane furnaces would be a thing of the past under the proposal, which would require homes and businesses to be fully electric starting in 2026. Existing buildings would be unaffected. Any new construction seven stories and under would not be permitted to install fossil fuel equipment, though large commercial or industrial buildings 100,000 square feet or more would be exempt. By 2029, the ban would apply to all new construction.

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I've lived in upstate New York for 45+ years. The power goes out a lot due to above ground power lines, storms, falling trees, etc. I can still power my furnace with a small generator, and heat my home with wood too. I can also use my old gas oven and stove to cook whenever the power goes out. What are new homeowners supposed to do when their power goes out and the only heat you can use comes from electricity?! Do you have any idea how big of a generator you're going to need? Like 10kW rather than 2kW. They're banning woodstoves in new construction in NY too. Have fun freezing when the crap hits the fan and/or the power goes off. Vote out these extreme radical environmentalists. This is their religion.

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    "Do you expect me to talk?"
    "No, Mr. Bond -- I expect you to die!"

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    What sort of pathetic developing world dystopia can't guarantee its electricity supply?

    2023, FFS.

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      The last place I expected to see tone-deaf "it's the current year" garbage is slashdot. But here we are. Maybe, I don't know, travel. Or just google. There's not a grid in the world that doesn't have issues in extreme weather.

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      People don't like the appearance let alone the cost of more storm resistant pylons to remote homes. So telegraph poles in trees need the trees near them hacking back, which costs, and gets neglected.

  • Do you live with other people? Just hook up a generator to a bicycle and you're good to go. Ten minute shifts. If you're the eldest male or the son of the eldest female you can get an exemption.

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    Forgive my generalization. But it often strikes me how the majority of these hardcore environmentalists looking to protect our futures are mostly childless nihilists who expect the government to be there forever and to have a nanny state take care of everything.
    The power will never be cut from your electric heating. Your electric car will always find a free plug to recharge for your long trip. Who cares about having children? The government will provide all the care you will need.
    I wouldn't call it subservi

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    Sure, if you're trying to pretend the power isn't out and waste energy like some oblivious madman you'll need 10kW. In reality new constructions are well insulated. In the depths of winter you'll get through even some severe multi-hour long power outages without even needing to turn your heater on.

    You say you have a wood stove in your home? Well that means everything you think you know about how a new construction works is most likely wrong. And everything you think you know about house construction now is

    • Water supply pipes freezing and bursting is a big problem. Happened several times throughout my life here in NY. We get temperatures here of -20F sometimes, and often it is during these extreme cold and heavy snow events when the power goes out. Heating from electricity is also more expensive than gas or wood. My points stand on their own merits. These clueless elitist hard-core environmentalists need to get voted out.

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      Good insulation only goes so far, after that big snow storm that takes out power everywhere (again) for several days these new home owners will be installing a backup heat source that doesn't require gobs of electricity to function in these situations.

      A future building code can't fix stupid government mandates. Many people like the atmosphere of a wood stove, that does not mean they are as ignorant as someone that assumes they are.

  • "Do you have any idea how big of a generator you're going to need?"

    That depends on how leaky your building fabric is.

    I'm not in NY, but max heat demand for our house (retrofitted 1920s brick constructions with a family of 4) is 2 kW (-5C outside, 21C inside).

    I know NY gets colder, but it should also be pretty easy to get better building fabric performance for a new build (which is what we're talking about here) than I get for our 1920s house.

    Let's be pessimistic and say I heat it with a heat pump which only

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      Why would you assume no other significant loads? Everyone has hot water tanks. Everyone has refrigerators and ovens. Some people have wells and don't get water at all without pumps. Heat pumps are not advisable without backup electric power.

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