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ICANN/Verisign Proposal Would Allow Any Government To Seize Domain Names
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Furthermore, Kirikos claims ICANN and Verisign "have deliberately timed the comment period to avoid public scrutiny." He writes: "The public comment period opened on April 13, 2023, and is scheduled to end (currently) on May 25, 2023. However, the ICANN76 public meeting was held between March 11 and March 16, 2023, and the ICANN77 public meeting will be held between June 12 and June 15, 2023. Thus, they published the proposal only after the ICANN76 public meeting had ended (where we could have asked ICANN staff and the board questions about the proposal), and seek to end the public comment period before ICANN77 begins. This is likely not by chance, but by design."
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I cannot believe it, they are so clean and open.-
They're now doing dodgy stuff for any government. And with them a california corporation, none of any transparency/accountability anything that normally applies to western governments applies to them. Complete sellouts, no recourse whatsoever.
Long run, this really isn't tenable. But then, last round someone claimed to be working on a fully decentralised DNS replacement, and nothing has happened in the years since. Looks like the tech guys can't take on government on their own.
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It is certainly not what ICANN want and they will surely have gone to the wire battling for the rights of the people of the world and against commercial and government exploitation of the common property, as they have always shown us by the clean and open way they make all such important decisions.
And Verisign are definitely not dirty money-grubbing bastards. Uh uh.-
What is 100% certain is the Biden administration is behind this. The insiders there have been trying to hand over the Internet to world government control since the 0bama days.
Just look at ICANNs long history with WEF, and then the EU people specifically Vera Jourova, said the quiet part out loud there just this year - paraphrasing but "The US will have hate speech laws soon enough"
We saw Biden's failure to set up Nina Jankowicz as our own minister of truth earlier as well. They could not get around 1A an
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If by "facts" you mean "lies", well, then, sure. Yet another conservaturd proudly parading delusion as reality.
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More like ICANN is doing this for Fortune 500 Companies. That is where the $ is.
This will make it easier for Companies to steal domains from individuals who have had a static WEB Pages on their own domain for decades. They could just take it with out paying the person a trivial amount, increasing execs bonuses.
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So Nissan can finally forcibly take nissan.com is what you are saying.
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Should they? Just check Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]. Should they have the ability to take it from somebody with that last name? I'd say no. If it's purely for trolling, then OK, I can see an argument, and there should be an open process, but all you need is to bribe literally any tin-pot dictator, and you can yank a domain name officially?
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Because Facebook and Youtube is super interested in letting foreign governments take over their domain names!/s
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Why in the hell would you say this is for the US government? It's almost certainly either because of bribery and extortion by the CHINESE and RUSSIAN governments. When the U.S. government ran the internet entirely there was never any hint of corrupt management like this.
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current domain system is broken.
95% of good domain names are taken by squatters. and to say it's currently uncensored and not controlled by a government, is a lie.
we should probably just let it happen, so everyone has good reason to scrap this system and switch to a better system.
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how long domain names(thus current dns system) will be a thing. My thoughts are the consumers and (most all)businesses are stuck with what ever the governments and rich elites decide.
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We'll simply get a two-tiered internet. One "official" one with the clean names and one run by the people who got pissed enough by that bullshit and who have the ability to do so.
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We already have different views of name resolution.
Recently was on a network where 'homeip.net' name I use wouldn't resolve correctly. Turned out their DNS basically looks at all domains handled by afraid and hijacks them in the name of 'anti-phishing'.
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We already have "dark" webs. Even USNET is still around for those who want to communicate from the "underground", so you're kind of talking about people who got pissed decades ago. That said, we're still here talking about someone taking over the Achilles heel of all of it.
Sounds like those who have the ability to do so, will be trading hosts.txt again.
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This has poo has Pooh written all over it.
Sure, the suits at Verisign love having all reward and no risk. That's probably just the sales pitch to get useful idiots across the line though.
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Indeed - *any* government can make a take-down request... so long as they pay the right dollars. Destroying your own reason for existence is now a revenue stream.
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one govt takes it , other govt take sit back this could be fun
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ICANN Final Judgement
We, the clean and open ICANN, hereby find it proven that the United States Government can legally claim the use of the.ru top level domain name, as it has been clearly shown to be merely the singular form of the domain already awarded for use by toys.rus
Final Decision. No appeals are permitted.
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Property rights? In America? That's been dead since the 80s when the Comprehensive Crime Control Act passed and strengthened the existing concepts of civil asset forfeiture to not require any kind of due process whatsoever.
Hell, just last year the FBI seized upwards of 86 million dollars in cash, jewelry, and other goods from people at one bank because they felt that any safety deposit box containing cash or goods valued in excess of 5000$ total must have been involved in crime. No charges, no evidence, just the stipulation that they felt it must be related to unknown crime. A California judge dismissed a class action case against the FBI effectively endorsing their tactics.
And no, no one can get all RABBLERABBLERABBLE-YOUR-TEAM-NO-YOUR-TEAM about it. That act had passed with massive bipartisan support at the time. The 4th amendment bit about seizure has long since been rendered moot. Seizing domains is pretty tame compared to what happens on the regular in the past 40 years.
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Decentralized DNS replacement, that is not under any Government, company or organizations control. Government control is scary. Eg China could pull 90% of the web offline, as they don't follow the party line thus should be banned (in their view)
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There are ERC20 prototypes but the real ones are coming.
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A few years ago they completely ignored public concern about selling gTLDs because there was too much money to be made by doing so. Now they're doing this because they don't care about public concern on it either.
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If this makes it to.com, Russia/China can just seize microsoft.com/windowsupdate.com and serve malware via Windows Update?
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updates would still have signature verification.
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This will eventually lead to a fork of DNS roots, as one could setup their own DNS infrastructure and forego the "public" DNS...
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What is stopping anyone from doing this now?
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But how long before your packets aren't forwarded through Internet backbones without proper authentication?
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Worry about governments seizing your assets and freedom without due process first. Things like the Patriot Act made a whole lot of bad things possible.
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This seems to be another example of a change in the direction against what was originally intended.
Those individuals doing this should be highlighted and recognized for their intent to misdirect. And removed!
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Any government can force ISPs to use their DNS systems right now, effectively allowing them to take over any domain within their territorial control now. The ISPs don't have a real choice if they want to stay in business.
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