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Samsung Considering Replacing Google With Bing as the Default Search Engine
Google is sprinting to protect its core business with a flurry of projects, including updates to its search engine and plans for an all-new one. From a report: Google's employees were shocked when they learned in March that the South Korean consumer electronics giant Samsung was considering replacing Google with Microsoft's Bing as the default search engine on its devices. For years, Bing had been a search engine also-ran. But it became a lot more interesting to industry insiders when it recently added new artificial intelligence technology. Google's reaction to the Samsung threat was "panic," according to internal messages reviewed by The New York Times. An estimated $3 billion in annual revenue was at stake with the Samsung contract. An additional $20 billion is tied to a similar Apple contract that will be up for renewal this year. A.I. competitors like the new Bing are quickly becoming the most serious threat to Google's search business in 25 years, and in response, Google is racing to build an all-new search engine powered by the technology. It is also upgrading the existing one with A.I. features, according to internal documents reviewed by The Times. The new features, under the project name Magi, are being created by designers, engineers and executives working in so-called sprint rooms to tweak and test the latest versions. The new search engine would offer users a far more personalized experience than the company's current service, attempting to anticipate users' needs.
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All search engines have deleted old stuff, technical stuff, vintage stuff. Have to got to wayback engines etc. Google must groan when I jump to craigslist or Aliexpress to make purchases. I have leaned never to buy on 1st page.
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The most infuriating part is google ignoring my keywords. I typed them for a reason, so the results will contain those words. Literally the first result will have one or two terms with a strike through line forcing me to wrap quotes around them. Sometimes that even fails with the results having mildly adjacent words. If you’re shopping for a part number you better triple check what google brings you otherwise you’ll be ordering wrong.
Now eBay on the other hand has fantastic and accurate results.
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Give me back circa 2000 Google, I could find anything with that.
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This always happens to nerds. We build this stuff to our liking, then it gets popular and is changed to suit the masses.
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Allow me to tell you a parable.
Back when I was young, and so was the internet, we created a beautiful garden here. It was marvelous. It was a sight to behold. Ok, fine, it wasn't. Compared to what you can see here today, it was... well, very homely. Quaint, even. But hey, what do you expect, we were simple gardeners with very simple tools at our disposal, we grew our little private gardens and we when someone developed something neat, we gave a seedling to our neighbor, so they could enjoy it too.
And then
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The problem is you're looking for keywords like it's 2001. Google transitioned away from that style of search a long time ago. Stop throwing keywords at it and ask it a question.
It is the most popular search engine with a user base that covers a very significant percentage of the human population. Try and act like a normal human and not a programmer. This product is not designed for *you*.
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The "-site:" list I have and paste into every search query is already long enough that it almost exceeds the maximum search length...
Hey, Google, an idea: Let us store that as a default. You not only get us to log in, you also get a load of free information about us, mostly about what sites we don't give a fuck about.
Hint: Most of them belong to YOU.
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You might try putting "allintext:" before your keywords. Google doesn't adhere to it as strictly as they used to, but using it still eliminates a lot of the crap results that they generate in their quest to deliver quantity instead of quality.
I also frequently end up using "-" in front of keywords that I don't want in the results. Google is increasingly ignoring this modifier as well, but it's still somewhat useful.
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Google cares. They pay Apple alone between $10 to $15 billion each year just to remain the default search engine in Safari.
Apple cares, because they receive enormous payments each year just for doing almost nothing. Last year Apple generated $95 billion in profits. Can you imagine that more than 10% of their revenue was supplied by Google, for just setting a simple configuration flag in their browser software?
To put it in the context, each company on the Fortune 500 list made at least $6 billion in gross revenues last year. Apple regularly receives more than TWICE THE GROSS REVENUE of many Fortune 500 companies each and every year JUST FROM GOOGLE.
This really demonstrates what Google cares about. If Google had to compete in the marketplace based on the merits of their products, they would be in trouble.
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Well, I could have played a sad song for them on the world's smallest violin. If I could play it.
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>Apple cares, because they receive enormous payments each year just for doing almost nothing. Last year Apple generated $95 billion in profits. Can you imagine that more than 10% of their revenue was supplied by Google, for just setting a simple configuration flag in their browser software?
It'd be $10-15 billion of $395 billion (revenue), not profit. A big deal yet nowhere near 10% of revenue, more like 3.5%.
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No that revenue costs apple nothing to make, who many man hours do you think it takes to have the setting being google.com instead of bing.com, the biggest cost I can see will be to have the managers have a meeting to decide to do it. So yeah out of 10-15 billion they probably make 9-14 billion profit after they pay upper management.
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Fair points. Yeah, it does look to be a big chunk, even after tax. I read the 2022 filing and 10% isn't unrealistic.
Thanks for setting me straight on that.
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The search engine company cares. That's where most of them make their money. Since most users never bother to change the default, getting set as that drives a ton of traffic to the search engine which they then monetize with ads and/or collect user analytics which they then sell...also to help target ads.
Personally, I think this would be a good move. Google's search results have been getting mediocre while they've grown complacent, and their rivals have been catching up. A little competition and fire under
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" A little competition and fire under Google's feet would be good for the industry"
EXACTLY!I tried DuckDuckGo a couple of months ago and was disappointed with the results.
Truth is if I disregard ads (which is increasingly difficult but still possible), Google is still way better.If, however, Google blends ads into the results making them indistinguishable... Well, THAT will be the moment to leave Google - but for what??
That would open the door for a paid search service, IMHO.-
Yes, startpage wraps google to be less filter bubbly. But Kagi / Neeva paid options with AI are also quite competitive.
DuckDuck Go which is powered by Bing (I think) used to always have really bad results. IDK if the AI stuff will fix Bing or if this is just marketing fluff to "light a fire" for Google.
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I use DuckDuckGo and I don't think most of its content is powered by Bing - just a few things.
When you search using Bing you get rather different results than DuckDuckGo. It could still be the case that DuckDuckGo uses some of Bing's crawl results, which IMO are distinctly less complete than Google's. DuckDuckGo seems to have a much harder time with most recent version of some piece of information. Sometimes that is actually useful but often it is quite irritating. And Bing's relevance has always seemed
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DuckDuckGo is now a reasonable alternative to Google, but DDG didn't get better. The other way around.
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Exactly this.
I have DuckDuckGo as my default search engine. It used to be that 1/3 of the queries were successful, the other 2/3 were then redone with !g in front, and then usually successful.
Now DDG still handles 1/3 of the queries, but Google only provides reasonable results for 1/3 of the rest.
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I'd expect that the most traffic they get that way are misspelled domain names.
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Have you not heard of "the tyranny of the default" before? What it means is that people overwhelmingly tend to leave the default choices alone. That's why things like opt-in vs opt-out are actually important, or why selection order actually matters.
In this case, with many millions of Samsung users, the default option is that one that many users will first try, and undoubtedly, unless they're highly motivated to change, that's the choice a lot of users will likely leave it as. And Google knows this. Thei
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When it comes to Windows, the general rule is that the good settings is the exact inverse of all default options.
If it's checked, uncheck it. If it's not, check it.-
When it comes to Windows, get a third party tool to actually set ALL the options you can change. Windows doesn't even offer you that option.
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>get a third party tool to actually set ALL the options you can change.
you can download that tool at www.freebsd.org . . .:__)
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That tool then also runs the software I need that only runs on a Windows machine that isn't virtualized?
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Yeah, I've heard about it. In fact, every time I remove the so-called "google" from my search options, I have a little fight with it. So excuse me if I have very little feelings about the tyrant itself.
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