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  > He sells something that bubbles up by itself from the ground, that everybody wants.

  Porn?

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• Here is an article about Adnoc oil/gas extraction plans [theguardian.com]. Sultan Al Jaber, the host of COP28, is the CEO of Adnoc.

  The United Arab Emirates, which is hosting this year’s UN climate summit, has the third biggest net zero-busting plans for oil and gas expansion in the world

  Sultan Al Jaber is overseeing expansion to produce oil and gas equivalent to 7.5bn barrels of oil, according to new data, 90% of which would have to remain in the ground to meet the net zero scenario set out by the International Energy Agency.

  So, to sum it up: we have the KPI, we have the course of action, but all of that is superseded by another KPI, which is how much money can be made that would benefit a handful of people.

  This is the equivalent as appointing Ted Bundy to oversee a police department reform to better track serial killers.

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    It's not. Ted Bundy is orders of magnitude more likely to do something useful here. There's no reason to think he would feel sympathy or want to support other serial killers.

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  Most of the great fascists of the 21st century have been climate change deniers, so no.

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    Could you please provide us with a list? I need a good chortle

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      Bolsonaro destroying the Amazon.

      Abbott repealing Australia's climate legislation.

      Trump withdrawing from the Paris agreement.

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        Ah, so in your parlance "fascist" means "non-leftist". Got it.
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  • Need for an affordable mindset

    The left only ever putting forward climate solutions that make the average person a lot poorer, drives people into the hands of right wing populists and fascists.

    If we want climate policy to succeed, it needs to also allow the average voter in the West to keep their current standard of living and for people in poorer parts of the world to raise their stand of living.

    Last week in Berlin 82% voted against the city becoming net zero, which has to be one of the largest results I have ever seen in a fair ballot.

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  There's no convincing people to turn away from fossil fuels if doing so puts them at an economic disadvantage to those that continue to burn fossil fuels. As important it might be to reduce CO2 emissions there's a far greater importance to continue to make money so people can buy food and other necessities from the profits.

  If alternatives to fossil fuels cost more then don't expect a rush to the exits from fossil fuels. If alternatives cost less than fossil fuels then there is no means by which the people

  • Re: Just what the world needs more of the mindset

    We've only half-heartedly tried tax and subsidies in some Western countries, and in those countries, emissions have fallen.

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    Wah can't do it it costs too much - in this instance I hope they do manage a 1000 year life span for people - so they have to live and experience the shit hole they havbe made with this we need a business mindset,

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    "If every option offered to lower CO2 emissions adds costs and reduces standards of living", fortunately they don't. Wind and solar are much less expensive than fossil energy.

    https://www.thecooldown.com/gr... [thecooldown.com]
    “All but one of the country’s 210 coal plants are more expensive to operate than either new wind or new solar,” the report states.

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• Yep, business tackles the climate crisis with greenwashing, disinformation campaigns, and jurisdiction shopping for loose environmental regulations.

• Except that it is not true. At least, this ceases to be true when those poor people realize that they have even more to lose than the first world people.

  Take Pakistan for instance. Last year, floods directly linked to climate change had more than one third of the whole country under water [bbc.com]. Funnily, or sadly, enough, Pakistan is only responsible for ~1% of CO2 emissions in the world. [cnn.com]

  Pakistan is poor. Yet last year, during several UN councils, Pakistan's prime minister made pleas for climate change to be taken seriously [un.org]. The problem, unlike what Konstantin Kisin says, is not that they don't care. It is that poor people are usually not the ones responsible for most of those CO2 emissions in the first place. So maybe the first world should stop looking for other people to blame, and start wiping the shit of its own shoes.

  • Said differently: World's richest 1% cause double CO2 emissions of poorest 50% (reported by Oxfam [oxfam.org]).

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      Obvious solution: Get rid of the poorest 50%. Otherwise the 0.0001% might have to stop using their private jets to fly in caviar for dinner. Or even sell one of their three yachts. We can't have that, can we? Think of the jobs in the aerospace and yachting industries!

  • No one third of Pakistan was not under water

    BBC Radio 4's More or Less programme took the claim apart and showed it to be a massive exaggeration

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/p... [bbc.co.uk]

    First item on the show

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  Well, given that the poor will be the first to die of this catastrophe anyways, there is some fairness in that I guess.

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  That is totally false.

  It does already and will even more in the future affect the developing and 3rd world more than the first world. It's just that when you're struggling to survive from week to week, you don't have the capacity to worry about something that'll affect you in 5 or 10 years.

  We have an equivalent in the USA: Try talking about pension funds to people who work two jobs and barely make it from one paycheck to the next. They're aware that pension is an issue, but it's not something they can affor

• Until the power cuts out and my family suffers

  In Australia, when we had our first electricity shortage and rolling outages, voters screamed 'are we now a 3rd world country' WTF are the politicians bonkers. Quietly our peak reserves are dropping with no replacement. Future disaster is assured, as planning wishlish's are fantasy - not fact. All this greentalk and fuzzy feelings will vanish if the lights go out. Better we import our cement and glass from China. Why oh why are there not nuclear enhanced cement plants (such as uranium oxide) pre-heaters.on

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  Yes, commies of all sorts are widely known for their environmentally-friendly industry./s

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    I don't know, the Amish, Hutterites, Mennonites, etc. have a fairly environmentally friendly reputation.

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      Amish are not commies, they don't come at you with guns if you refuse to participate.

      • You ever actually read the Bible?

        Any of them literally any of them. The Amish don't come at you with guns cuz they don't have the power to come at you with guns. You should look up the growing Christian nationalism movement in america. There's a reason the first amendment exists.

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  Or better: when found out, get yourself appointed as head of a global meeting whose sole purpose is to fix the mess you profited from.

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    You think they want to fix the mess? Does not look like it to me. More like greed and ignorance as usual and a deep false conviction that things will not be so bad and, anyways, will hit only others.

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      For once we completely agree. My comment was supposed to be ironic, but after re-reading it, it may not have been that obvious.

      To go even further, I do believe the goal of Al-Jaber is to make it as if he wants to do something, while at the same time making really sure nothing is really done, so that his profits can continue to go up.

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        We do completely agree on this one indeed.

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  So your advice is to give up, right?

  Let's apply that to business planning: "We can't hit our goal of 25% growth, so let's just take long luches and goof off and give ourselfs huge raises because why not?"

  Sports: "We don't have a chance of getting in the playoff so we won't go to the trouble of holding practice."

  Your life: "I'm already living in my parents basement and I haven't had a social life for years so I'll just order another pizza, steal some beer from the fridge, and take a bath eventually, maybe

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  It is because Russia felt that Europe would do nothing about an invasion of Ukraine that lead to this environmental damage. Why would Russia believe Europe would do nothing? Because to punish Russia where it would hurt, their fossil fuel exports to Europe, means Europe has to stop importing Russian energy.

  It appears to me that for Europe to successfully end imports of Russian energy they have to find imports from elsewhere, and that comes with risks of a repeat of the same tactic some time in the future,

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    I agree, the arguments against necular really don't stack up when all is considered, Australia is a bit unique in that half the country maybe more is desert, you could build solar arrays in the desert but you still have the issue of transmission and getting the power to the areas that people actually live, the entire centre of Australia is alomst uninhabitable due to water and lack of fertile land to grow anything on.

    Tidal energy is another that could be worth investing in, especially in Australia where t

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      I believe the greater problems for solar power in Australia, or any nation on Earth, is labor and materials. Every renewable energy source is at a disadvantage on costs for materials and labor when compared to nuclear power, and this on top of the costs from being intermittent.

      Geothermal energy has an inherent energy storage element to it so it can better compete in a market where energy storage exists on the grid. Hydroelectric dams have an inherent energy storage element. So does nuclear fission, becau

  • Re: Ukraine + Russia

    "moving offshore for wind only raises costs above that of nuclear fission" no, in general it does not, which you've been told multiple times. You asked to have your figures corrected, and said you would then use corrected figures. You were shown them, but refuse to use them.

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    "I'll see people point to examples of wind and/or solar energy rates being lower than that of nuclear fission. How much is that cost self imposed by governments effectively banning civil nuclear power?" I'm only aware of Germany banning it, so I'm going to say none of the cost is due to banning. Nuclear is more expensive even in countries with massive encouragement for nuclear, like the UK. I'm in favour of having nuclear in the mix, but using incorrect arguments that are trivially easy to refute doesn't he

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    Nuclear power as a probably necessary part of the solution to global warming is something that I would agree with but many of your arguments here for it are nonsense and do more harm than good for the cause you're trying to push.

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  Right, fuck corporations, because no corporation builds solar panels and windmills. Only individuals do that.

  Oh... wait... that's not quite right. It is with corporations we can see people pool their resources and spread liability. Remove that and there's no electric car makers, no solar power factories, and no mining for the raw materials needed for any products that could mitigate against global warming.

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  It is easy to stop that practice. Set up a fire brigade of your own to put out fires. This requires some forethought, and paying some kind of insurance fee to keep the firefighters trained and the fire engines maintained. Nobody can hold people ransom for choosing to sell their home or watch it burn. If this competing fire brigade tries to hold back your own fire brigade by force then pay for a police force to maintain order.

  What is the equivalent to this in global warming? It is people competing for m