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• The idea behind sanctions is to not only hurt the government, but make the people aware of its governments actions. When the people feel enough pain they'll go against their government (except in North Korea, China, and a few other autocracies).

  As the saying goes, actions have consequences. You want to invade your neighbor? Congrats, we won't do business with you and we'll penalize anyone who does.

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    Except that's wishful thinking. It only makes them hate the US more.

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      So then what, continue giving money to these companies that funnel it straight into Putin's pockets? This is entirely analogous to wanting to buy VW's from Hitler's Germany.

      Or put it another way, by trying to keep Russians from hating on you then you only make other countries hate on you instead. Do you want to turn around and tell Ukraine "this looks bad, we really feel sorry for you being tortured and your children sent to reeducation camps, but we want cheap oil and Russia has that"?

      My guess some of th

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        So then what, continue giving money to these companies that funnel it straight into Putin's pockets?

        The story is about a Russian wanting to give something to the world for free.

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          Are these devs volunteers, or working for their company? One company of which is explicitly listed on the sanction list. It's unclear for one person but seems to be work for hire for the other. Maybe it's unfair guilt by association for the guilty - but it's war, war is unfair, tell it to the dead that a Russian is locked out of open source code base and see what they think. GitHub is not to blame here, Putin is.

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          To be fair, it's about a Russian manufacturer wanting to give device drivers (and other hardware specific software) for its hardware for free, the hardware itself not being free.

          I dunno, I could go either way on this, but frankly, if we're going to sanction a rogue state, and other than the Russian trolls and far-right here, I think we all agree Russia is one right now, then it makes no sense to keep adding exceptions and "Yeah buts". And yes, I feel bad for the people of Russia, but I feel bad for them

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        how do you mean just like funelling money in US companies producing the weapons used for the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003 ?

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    Ok, now name countries where that has worked.

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      Egypt.
      No not Egypt, I know, Iraq!
      Wait, not Iraq, Iran!
      Oh, not Iran? What about Cuba, it worked there didn't it?
      Anyway, sanctions are great and always work.

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        Saouth Africa boycotts really did help to take down apartheid.

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          How is South Africa doing today?

          Right.

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            Better than it was during apartheid.

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            Newsflash ! Decades of weird social experiments in which a minority dehumanises the majority somehow has adverse consequences. Who knew ?
            Are you saying they should have continued with apartheid ?

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              I'm saying that the real world is a complicated place and often those with the best intentions end up doing the most damage. Few will say it out loud but most who look at Iraq objectively today will agree that place was better off when Saddam was in power before we showed up "to help."

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          The boycotts were the face saving excuse the old regime needed to dissolve itself. The moral argument had an audience there that was receptive enough to it to listen. Same as in the US a few decades before. If there weren't people willing to listen, then no amount of poking, prodding, or even violence would have worked. The regime would have suppressed it and the people would have been glad it happened.

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    Thats all fine in practice, but history really doesnt support this as being effective.

    The *only* example ever given is usually South Africa and apartheid. But it should be lost on few that thats not how South Africans see it. I've asked white south africans why they voted to eliminate apartheid, and they never say "The sanctions". Its always "Because apartheid was evil".

    Now look at all the examples where it hasnt.
    After WW1 extensive sanctions where placed on the germans. It turned the industrial powerhouse

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      considering the US' wrap sheet with coup d'etats, invasions, wars, indiscriminate bombing of civilians in multiple countries, supporting nazi regimes such as Israel's, they should be the ones to be sanctionned by the rest of the world

      oh, look, it starts to happen, they are alone with their few EU "friends" that they control, at going after Russia...

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    And how do you respond, truly, when someone forces you to a choice?

    NATO and Co. are not yet fully at war with Russia, but we are on the way

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      you mean, like the US invading various countries because the democratically government there happened to be non- neoliberal ?

• They already started a war and didn't need our permission. Sanctions are not about punishing, they're about limiting their ability to keep attacking, looting and razing a sovereign nation and killing innocent people. People like you would have bought swastika swag because it wasn't the people who wanted the Nazi blitzkrieg. Can't hold the people responsible for their government, can we.

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    Ok, how is stopping them contributing to FOSS or stopping their athletes from competing doing that.

    There are things you can sanction that can do that but, this is not one of them.

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      Some of the MAGA crowd have it wrong. One senator complaining that only US is giving money to Ukraine and Europe isn't - which is false. US has given more but per-capita it is larger than Europe. Europe has given $55 billion in financial support to Ukraine, US is $26 billion finanancial. Military support the US gives more though, so overall it is larger. However this is also a strategic US goal so the military support to keep a stable Europe, and also Europe is a friend, is what that support is for. Y

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    So far them sanctions did a lousy job limiting attacking, looting and razing and killing. They did, however, do a good job getting the general population pissed.
    
    That being said, the general population will not go protestin' and overthrowin', instead they will get progressively more hostile towards the West. Most people who would go protestin' and overthrowin' already left -- Putin cleverly just let them go.

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      Russia's economy is imploding and they can now barely even manage source parts to keep their commercial aviation aloft. Russia's war machine has been severely hampered by inability to secure foreign components at scale.

      Nobody gives a fuck. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

      While they sure as shit won't protest the war if things keep going as they are it is quite plausible Russia finds itself consumed by internal conflict and fragmented by competing interests as their military power is flushed down the

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        The statement was that them sanctions were about limiting attacking, looting and razing and killing. Them sanctions did a lousy job of that. Nobody gives a fuck about Russia's economy.
        
        Internal conflict in Russia is all fun and games and nobody-gives-a-fucks, except they have nukes, and you might just get a taste of it, however little fucks you give. It seems you play stupid games, you might end up winning stupid prizes.

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          The sanctions have been quite effective as explained.

          Economy is directly linked to the war machine. It impacts the ability to produce military hardware, train, equip and supply military endeavor. Mordor lacks the infrastructure to keep up with consumption of ammo and equipment. It has zero internal ability to produce high tech components. Mordor is burning through cold war era stockpiles from USSR with no hope of replenishment commensurate with demand.

          You have a point, I don't give a fuck.

          Again you are

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    oh, you mean just like the US invading Iraq, fucking with afghanistan because, god forbids, they had lawfully elected a communist government in Afghanistan in 1978 (operation Cyclone) ?

• There is nothing on earth worse than the people of one nation punishing the people of another nation, for stupid acts the governments of said nations perform.

  Government is only possible via the consent of the governed. Even in totalitarian states ruled by force either by fear or agreement it only works if people beat the drums the government wants them to.

  It's not the people that want wars generally

  Given the countless hours of street interviews I've seen in Russia with Russians over the last year it seems to me in fact plurality of people do want war. Most Russians seem perfectly willing to justify invasion by parroting provably false insane talking points from 24x7 propaganda piped into their living rooms.

  The vast majority of complaints coming from Russia take the form of whining about conditions and getting angry over the fact the rest of the world hates them. A very small portion of the population is doing anything constructive.

  but if you shut them out individuals enough they may warm up to the idea as they will stop thinking of you as human too, and then the government has free reign.

  All that matters to Orcs is Russkiy mir. If Orcs want to be treated as anything other than accomplices to mass murder they will need to demonstrate they are not just standing on the sidelines while their friends and family participate in murder and commit war crimes. Some have done exactly this in spades, the vast majority have not. The vast majority firmly supports Putler whose approval has skyrocketed since his aggression.

  • That's not the only way

    Government is only possible via the consent of the governed.

    How can you look around the world today, and say that? I can't agree.

    Also ask all of the people through history how much consent they had through brutal regimes that killed millions.

    Government is possible via consent, yes... but there is another way - force and fear. History has showed that works quite well too, for a while...

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  Here's the thing though, as I'm sure you're well aware ipmitool is used for managing the bare metal backing virtual server clusters. Letting a Russian national participate unfettered in that effort is a threat to the national security of practically the entire rest of the world. This is true regardless of whether Alexander is and intends to continue contribute purely honorably because at some point he may be pressured by the Russian government to do otherwise, and you well know that too you duplicitous fuck

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    you idiot don't realize the rest of the stack is mostly manufactured in china...