Is ProMotion actually meaningful in everyday use?
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Is ProMotion actually meaningful in everyday use?
I can tell the difference between 30 and 60FPS videos within a split second of them playing, so I suspect I've the kind of eyes/brain that might notice this. That said, on my iPhone 13 Pro Max I don't really notice the Promotion at all.
uczcret
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Yes, I notice it on iPad Pro as well. And you can't forget the impact on battery life - ProMotion goes down to 10 or 24 Hz as well if the content allows for it, saving precious battery there.The title says it all. Outside of video editing, is the 120Hz ramping up for scrolling on webpages or docs actually something you notice?
I can tell the difference between 30 and 60FPS videos within a split second of them playing, so I suspect I've the kind of eyes/brain that might notice this. That said, on my iPhone 13 Pro Max I don't really notice the Promotion at all.
Thanks. This is exactly what I suspected.I've had ProMotion on my 14" MBP and iPhone 13PM for over 6 months now and I can sort of see it on the iPhone if I look really hard for it but I haven't seen any difference on the MacBook compared to 60Hz displays.
On an external display where the pixel transitions can actually keep up, 120 Hz just feels a lot more responsive and clearer in motion than 60 Hz. A good common thing would be for example moving between virtual desktops where at higher refresh rate it's silky smooth.
If it was up to me, no new 60 Hz monitors would be made at this point.
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120hz is useless for video editing, no idea where you got that idea. 120hz originally is for gaming purposes, but in the case of a phone just makes the experience smoother.The title says it all. Outside of video editing, is the 120Hz ramping up for scrolling on webpages or docs actually something you notice?
I can tell the difference between 30 and 60FPS videos within a split second of them playing, so I suspect I've the kind of eyes/brain that might notice this. That said, on my iPhone 13 Pro Max I don't really notice the Promotion at all.
Onimusha370
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rmgbenschop
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So yeah, do I notice it? Not sure. I think you get used to everything.
I do prefer 120Hz screens now of course. Way smoother than 60Hz.
I referred to promotion and it’s ability to set exact rates for certain video formats.120hz is useless for video editing, no idea where you got that idea. 120hz originally is for gaming purposes, but in the case of a phone just makes the experience smoother.
Thanks. Again this is exactly what I suspected. And if I want a genuine 120Hz experience then a decent desktop monitor is the way to go. But really it still feels as if this whole tech area of high refresh rate panels of various kinds is a little nascent and perhaps needs a bit longer to prove itself.The display pixel response on the Macbook Pros can't keep up so you don't really gain much. It would be a bit more responsive in how moving cursor feels. Variable refresh rate might be more useful for saving battery as the display will need to update less times per second when static.
On an external display where the pixel transitions can actually keep up, 120 Hz just feels a lot more responsive
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TinyMito
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High refresh rate panels have been around for at least 8 years if not even more. There isn't anything that particular in the tech: you just need a controller and panel capable of updating the screen fast enough. Which is harder as the resolution and/or refresh rate goes up.Thanks. Again this is exactly what I suspected. And if I want a genuine 120Hz experience then a decent desktop monitor is the way to go. But really it still feels as if this whole tech area of high refresh rate panels of various kinds is a little nascent and perhaps needs a bit longer to prove itself.
I bought my first high refresh rate screen in 2014. 1440p, 144 Hz, TN panel. Today you can get that same thing in a 240 Hz IPS panel. Or 4K.
Above 4K screens are still bandwidth limited and I expect Displayport 2.0 will be needed before we get 5-6K 120 Hz for example.
Yes. To me the higher refresh rate with motion reduces my eye strain. It’s to the point where I can notice 60Hz just moving my mouse on the desktop. It looks so bad just moving my mouse. So I always go for 120+. I don’t see the need for higher than 144.The title says it all. Outside of video editing, is the 120Hz ramping up for scrolling on webpages or docs actually something you notice?
I can tell the difference between 30 and 60FPS videos within a split second of them playing, so I suspect I've the kind of eyes/brain that might notice this. That said, on my iPhone 13 Pro Max I don't really notice the Promotion at all.
Mr. Awesome
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I personally can’t tell the difference between ProMotion and non-ProMotion iPhones, but I can definitely feel the difference on the iPad. Using 60Hz iPads feel super slow now. I think the larger screen plays a major part in being able to tell a difference, so I’d imagine the difference is even more pronounced on a Mac.The title says it all. Outside of video editing, is the 120Hz ramping up for scrolling on webpages or docs actually something you notice?
I can tell the difference between 30 and 60FPS videos within a split second of them playing, so I suspect I've the kind of eyes/brain that might notice this. That said, on my iPhone 13 Pro Max I don't really notice the Promotion at all.
spiderman0616
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I can’t say that I notice its presence on the Mac that much, but that could be just because I’d already had it on various iPads and now my iPhone for years.
537635
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Unfortunately it is immediately noticable if you are using a ProMotion device constantly. When going back to a 60Hz device, something seems wrong, scrolling seems laggy (which isn't really), less fluid.The title says it all. Outside of video editing, is the 120Hz ramping up for scrolling on webpages or docs actually something you notice?
I can tell the difference between 30 and 60FPS videos within a split second of them playing, so I suspect I've the kind of eyes/brain that might notice this. That said, on my iPhone 13 Pro Max I don't really notice the Promotion at all.
I have 13 PM, LG 5k and now the 14 Pro. LG 27'' 5k feels outdated when I work with Macbook for a while. I need quite some time on the 60Hz LG to "unsee" it.
I do hope we get new iMacs with ProMotion.
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ThailandToo
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Now I also have a new iPad mini which I bought for reading. I hate it. I see jelly scrolling on the right side every time I use it. It makes me hate the iPad mini. I feel like I got duped. Apple absolutely ripped us all off on this one. It’s not 60Hz if it’s not evenly scrolling.
Second biggest disappointment ever for me from Apple behind the Apple Watch Series 4 in Stainless with the Saphire crystal. I wanted to trade it in for a Series 5 and Apple offered me $140 when I paid $800 for it less than a year prior. I ended up keeping it until I bought the Apple Watch Series 7 standard 45mm. Never will pay a bunch of money for an Apple Watch again. With the AppleCare+, it just doesn’t matter if the Apple Watch has an expensive sapphire crystal display when it’s likely going to get recycled or replaced within a few years.
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So if I bought a Mac Studio now, and Apple or someone else came out with a 5K 120Hz monitor in a year or two, I wouldn't be able to enjoy the 120Hz on my Studio?Above 4K screens are still bandwidth limited and I expect Displayport 2.0 will be needed before we get 5-6K 120 Hz for example.
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jav6454
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537635
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Which was the same when retina screens were introduced. Some noticed the sharp non-pixelated display. Others did not.Only thing I can grasp from pro-motion related threads is, some notice it, others not so much.
In the long run probably 60Hz won't stay.
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Sterkenburg
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That said, ProMotion is not a deal-breaker feature and perception is subjective, so why not just pay a visit to an Apple store and do a side-by-side comparison?
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headlessmike
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I have the same feeling about Retina displays. They are nice to look at, but don't make difference in terms of actual usability in my opinion.
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