Microsoft may not offer you Windows 11 if you use Internet Explorer
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Holy crap! If Microsoft can require TPM 2.0 for Windows 11 they should have also freaking dropped IE. Make it known no IE for Win 11 and anyone who needs IE can stay on Windows 10. Simple!
Please no comments about enterprise users as it's not relevant at all.
Holy crap! If Microsoft can require TPM 2.0 for Windows 11 they should have also freaking dropped IE. Make it known no IE for Win 11 and anyone who needs IE can stay on Windows 10. Simple!
Please no comments about enterprise users as it's not relevant at all.
"Beyond this very topical and very relevant reason as to why this exist that simply cannot be dismissed, you cannot bring that point up because it is irrelevant"
Also, did you read the article? The problem is that IE isn't available on Windows 11 and as a result, any data you had in the browser is unavailable to you. The fact that it isn't there anymore and that Microsoft won't restore it *is* the problem.
"Beyond this very topical and very relevant reason as to why this exist that simply cannot be dismissed, you cannot bring that point up because it is irrelevant"
Also, did you read the article? The problem is that IE isn't available on Windows 11 and as a result, any data you had in the browser is unavailable to you. The fact that it isn't there anymore and that Microsoft won't restore it *is* the problem.
Data from IE is still available in Windows 11. You should be able to recover it in Microsoft Edge after upgrading, even without exporting it first. The problem is that Windows 11 cannot access the data due to a bug, which is why Microsoft placed the block.
"Beyond this very topical and very relevant reason as to why this exist that simply cannot be dismissed, you cannot bring that point up because it is irrelevant"
Also, did you read the article? The problem is that IE isn't available on Windows 11 and as a result, any data you had in the browser is unavailable to you. The fact that it isn't there anymore and that Microsoft won't restore it *is* the problem.
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"Beyond this very topical and very relevant reason as to why this exist that simply cannot be dismissed, you cannot bring that point up because it is irrelevant"
Also, did you read the article? The problem is that IE isn't available on Windows 11 and as a result, any data you had in the browser is unavailable to you. The fact that it isn't there anymore and that Microsoft won't restore it *is* the problem.
Ummmm My comment wasn't directly about the article but more a rant. The IE back end (aka IE mode) is still in Windows 11.
Holy crap! If Microsoft can require TPM 2.0 for Windows 11 they should have also freaking dropped IE. Make it known no IE for Win 11 and anyone who needs IE can stay on Windows 10. Simple!
Please no comments about enterprise users as it's not relevant at all.
How are enterprise users "not relevant at all"? Isn't Windows 11 an OS designed for the enterprise too? There is an Enterprise edition of Windows 11, after all.
Yes, Microsoft can make the case of not offering IE to home users, but IE is still very present in the enterprise segment, sadly. Let's be real: if the enterprise resists to dump IE and to use IE Mode inside Edge, Microsoft will give in and they will keep IE alive as long as necessary. Money is money.
Let's remember: Microsoft's income comes mostly from the enterprise. They won't do anything that upsets that segment very much, and that's smart.
Ummmm My comment wasn't directly about the article but more a rant. The IE back end (aka IE mode) is still in Windows 11.
IE mode is just an engine piece of the equation. IE otherwise is completely non-existent and practically all parts removed including the backend. It is the engine that allows rendering, with Edge being the only default browser.
Ummmm My comment wasn't directly about the article but more a rant. The IE back end (aka IE mode) is still in Windows 11.
The 'backend' IS Internet Explorer. The browser is just a stub - as it always was and why Microsoft was VERY accurate and correct when they tried to explain this to people 25 years and are STILL trying for people to freaking get it.
How are enterprise users "not relevant at all"? Isn't Windows 11 an OS designed for the enterprise too? There is an Enterprise edition of Windows 11, after all.
Yes, Microsoft can make the case of not offering IE to home users, but IE is still very present in the enterprise segment, sadly. Let's be real: if the enterprise resists to dump IE and to use IE Mode inside Edge, Microsoft will give in and they will keep IE alive as long as necessary. Money is money.
Let's remember: Microsoft's income comes mostly from the enterprise. They won't do anything that upsets that segment very much, and that's smart.
Actually, IE in the enterprise segment is not relevant. Microsoft made it clear to business customers including enterprise that IE is being retired in just a couple months now. If enterprise customer's do not update their platforms, their software could break if it relies on IE. There is no excuse as Microsoft made this clear quite some time ago with plenty of time.
I know where I work, they have already begun the migration to use Microsoft Edge or Chrome, with most being Edge due to the IE mode that is helping with the transition.
How are enterprise users "not relevant at all"? Isn't Windows 11 an OS designed for the enterprise too? There is an Enterprise edition of Windows 11, after all.
Yes, Microsoft can make the case of not offering IE to home users, but IE is still very present in the enterprise segment, sadly. Let's be real: if the enterprise resists to dump IE and to use IE Mode inside Edge, Microsoft will give in and they will keep IE alive as long as necessary. Money is money.
Let's remember: Microsoft's income comes mostly from the enterprise. They won't do anything that upsets that segment very much, and that's smart.
Agree.
IE's appeal was always based on its ability to easily integrate into software. It has the same reach as classic Win32 APIs.
There is still a lot of software that uses IE for rendering HTML content, which was its original role as a product.
Side note on why the IE stuff was always so crazy:
The anti-trust results seen from today makes IE look predatory, but it really wasn't at the time - it wasn't even to be a 'browser' let alone the 'windows' browser. When Microsoft brought out IE, the 'browser' was a sample/example - it was marketed to developers to make using/consuming web content and moving to HTML easier. Just as Truetype helped developers have access to vector fonts or anything else provided by Windows as an integrated feature.
Microsoft literally pushed developers to make browsers using the engine. They even had development contests to build the best browser. I built a basic browser and IE wasn't a competitor - Netscape was. (Netscape hated how easy developers could build a full browser - hence the Microsoft and Windows hate.
Up to , during, and after the anti-trust - IE was never to be the only browser or used for generating revenue. They instead put that focus on the MSN App - with its own UI/Search/HomePage/Etc.
After the anti-trust, it just didn't matter anymore, and that is when IE became a focus for Microsoft as a 'browser' instead of an engine for web content. The MSN App stayed around for a few more years, and then was killed off.
Hopefully, this will be the last generation of people 'depending' on IE for software - with people able to VM older software when they really need to load something like Quickbooks from 1999 that used the IE engine for a lot things, like HTML reports/etc.
The 'backend' IS Internet Explorer. The browser is just a stub - as it always was and why Microsoft was VERY accurate and correct when they tried to explain this to people 25 years and are STILL trying for people to freaking get it.
Did you reply to the right person? I get it which is why I want it removed.
Actually, IE in the enterprise segment is not relevant. Microsoft made it clear to business customers including enterprise that IE is being retired in just a couple months now. If enterprise customer's do not update their platforms, their software could break if it relies on IE. There is no excuse as Microsoft made this clear quite some time ago with plenty of time.
I know where I work, they have already begun the migration to use Microsoft Edge or Chrome, with most being Edge due to the IE mode that is helping with the transition.
I am confused... IE is not going anywhere. As I clarified, I am referring to IE mode which you also meationed.
The enterprise is not relevant because I was referring to home users. I don't care if IE mode or a full dumbf*ck Internet suite is included in the enterprise version. My only point was IE (in any form) didn't need to be Windows 11 Home/Pro.
Actually, IE in the enterprise segment is not relevant. Microsoft made it clear to business customers including enterprise that IE is being retired in just a couple months now. If enterprise customer's do not update their platforms, their software could break if it relies on IE. There is no excuse as Microsoft made this clear quite some time ago with plenty of time.
I know where I work, they have already begun the migration to use Microsoft Edge or Chrome, with most being Edge due to the IE mode that is helping with the transition.
I beg to differ...
If an important client of Microsoft, let's say a bank or a government, for any reason doesn't want or can't move to IE Mode inside Edge and it's willing to keep the money pump flowing, Microsoft will find an excuse to keep "classic" IE alive. Microsoft said it themselves: it's just practically impossible to get rid of anything in Windows or other products because the damn legacy support.
I get your point and I agree with you, but things aren't always THAT simple as saying "this stops here" and drawing a line and everyone moves away from legacy stuff after that. It's just not the nature of business.
Actually, IE in the enterprise segment is not relevant. Microsoft made it clear to business customers including enterprise that IE is being retired in just a couple months now. If enterprise customer's do not update their platforms, their software could break if it relies on IE. There is no excuse as Microsoft made this clear quite some time ago with plenty of time.
I know where I work, they have already begun the migration to use Microsoft Edge or Chrome, with most being Edge due to the IE mode that is helping with the transition.
It absolutely is relevant because a lot of companies are hesitant to upgrade or refuse to for whatever reasons. For them, they have to use IE for compatibility reasons. So for new or modern software, it isn’t as important but for old stuff, it is.
Holy crap! If Microsoft can require TPM 2.0 for Windows 11 they should have also freaking dropped IE. Make it known no IE for Win 11 and anyone who needs IE can stay on Windows 10. Simple!
Please no comments about enterprise users as it's not relevant at all.
IE users ARE ONLY enterprise users in 2022. That browser is quickly turning into the next IE6 as its 8 years old and misses so many crucial HTML 5 features for any website or modern app. TPM 2 is a good thing to require. Your phone has had this for a decade. Why not enforce this for enhanced security on a desktop PC?
Unfortunately, there is no secure way to do security without it
Actually, IE in the enterprise segment is not relevant. Microsoft made it clear to business customers including enterprise that IE is being retired in just a couple months now. If enterprise customer's do not update their platforms, their software could break if it relies on IE. There is no excuse as Microsoft made this clear quite some time ago with plenty of time.
I know where I work, they have already begun the migration to use Microsoft Edge or Chrome, with most being Edge due to the IE mode that is helping with the transition.
It is a very big deal. IE 6 is still rampant on any fortune 500 company that uses software written 20 years ago. Citrix is used and it's expensive. Oracle needs Java which ties it to IE and we can't afford to put everyone on Citrix just to do any business function with active X Java controls 😳
Agree.
IE's appeal was always based on its ability to easily integrate into software. It has the same reach as classic Win32 APIs.There is still a lot of software that uses IE for rendering HTML content, which was its original role as a product.
Side note on why the IE stuff was always so crazy:The anti-trust results seen from today makes IE look predatory, but it really wasn't at the time - it wasn't even to be a 'browser' let alone the 'windows' browser. When Microsoft brought out IE, the 'browser' was a sample/example - it was marketed to developers to make using/consuming web content and moving to HTML easier. Just as Truetype helped developers have access to vector fonts or anything else provided by Windows as an integrated feature.
Microsoft literally pushed developers to make browsers using the engine. They even had development contests to build the best browser. I built a basic browser and IE wasn't a competitor - Netscape was. (Netscape hated how easy developers could build a full browser - hence the Microsoft and Windows hate.
Up to , during, and after the anti-trust - IE was never to be the only browser or used for generating revenue. They instead put that focus on the MSN App - with its own UI/Search/HomePage/Etc.
After the anti-trust, it just didn't matter anymore, and that is when IE became a focus for Microsoft as a 'browser' instead of an engine for web content. The MSN App stayed around for a few more years, and then was killed off.
Hopefully, this will be the last generation of people 'depending' on IE for software - with people able to VM older software when they really need to load something like Quickbooks from 1999 that used the IE engine for a lot things, like HTML reports/etc.
What really reaks about IE is Java apps which are supposed to be platform independent are only supported in IE. Oracle standardized on this and does SAP these software stacks are complicated and cost tens of millions of dollars where a business shuts down without it. Every stinking business process is coded in so companies can't leave. A modern update is not possible. Only a rewrite which would take years and tens of millions of dollars redoing work which took a decade to master smh
IE users ARE ONLY enterprise users in 2022. That browser is quickly turning into the next IE6 as its 8 years old and misses so many crucial HTML 5 features for any website or modern app. TPM 2 is a good thing to require. Your phone has had this for a decade. Why not enforce this for enhanced security on a desktop PC?
Unfortunately, there is no secure way to do security without it
I didn't make any comment if TPM 2.0 should be required or not but considering they did my point was why couldn't IE be totally dropped in the Home and Pro versions.
Holy crap! If Microsoft can require TPM 2.0 for Windows 11 they should have also freaking dropped IE. Make it known no IE for Win 11 and anyone who needs IE can stay on Windows 10. Simple!
Please no comments about enterprise users as it's not relevant at all.
Funny stuff - in my country almost all guvernamental sites still requires IE11 to be used for filling/submitting different forms. And... most of them don't work using IE Mode in browsers...
For them it's not a problem, most are still using XP 
Funny stuff - in my country almost all guvernamental sites still requires IE11 to be used for filling/submitting different forms. And... most of them don't work using IE Mode in browsers...
For them it's not a problem, most are still using XP
I would consider migration to another country. Not kidding...
I didn't make any comment if TPM 2.0 should be required or not but considering they did my point was why couldn't IE be totally dropped in the Home and Pro versions.
When your app on your phone says Appx needs permission to use your camera, contacts, and location should I grant? It is using your phones TPM chip to store and get secrets aka tokens.
With multi-factor authentication for a website to do anything like store credit cards, grant access to your Gmail contacts, or any other access list a token with a tpm device is required. Without it you are storing passwords on cookies on the hard drive and apps need full passwords to the full external source. Not a token to request an object where the app and storage do not have any passwords. So that is a big hurdle for IE on why these mobile apps can't be converted to WebApps easily
When your app on your phone says Appx needs permission to use your camera, contacts, and location should I grant? It is using your phones TPM chip to store and get secrets aka tokens.
With multi-factor authentication for a website to do anything like store credit cards, grant access to your Gmail contacts, or any other access list a token with a tpm device is required. Without it you are storing passwords on cookies on the hard drive and apps need full passwords to the full external source. Not a token to request an object where the app and storage do not have any passwords. So that is a big hurdle for IE on why these mobile apps can't be converted to WebApps easily
Huh? Why are you still taking about TPM? It was just used to illustrate a point. I am not against the TPM 2.0 requirement for Windows 11. I will spell it out for you... If Microsoft is willing to lose upgrades to Windows 11 over the TPM requirement why are they not willing to remove IE totally that effects a lot less users?
i suppose that is one way to stop Ms offering you Windows 11, another is to disable TPM2.0
i suppose that is one way to stop Ms offering you Windows 11, another is to disable TPM2.0
Disabling TPM is unwise. They seems to be so much fear, confusion, and misinformation about this from so called techies.
Disabling TPM is unwise. They seems to be so much fear, confusion, and misinformation about this from so called techies.
This is about updating from Windows 10 to Windows 11 and while some laptops may use TPM for encryption, i doubt many desktops do. I can enable and disable TPM on this machine with no problem at all, because nothing uses it.
This is about updating from Windows 10 to Windows 11 and while some laptops may use TPM for encryption, i doubt many desktops do. I can enable and disable TPM on this machine with no problem at all, because nothing uses it.
I use multi factor authentication in the office. TPM is a must for next generation web apps to store tokens and get rid of insecure passwords. For example LinkedIn may asks if it can grant access to your Gmail contacts? Like your phone a request to access a resource is stored with tokens on a TPM chip. No passwords required and security is at a fine grained level as the secret for the token being generated for each access list is separate and stores on a tpm like encryption chip. Not on your hard drive or even in the apps code. Windows 11 uses a pin to log in on my system. It also supports facial recognition but this needs TPM to implement to store these secure token with your fingerprints, pin, credit card numbers, face, etc. This is pretty essential in 2020s technology.
This is why I am in the minority promoting TpM requirement. There is no other way to be secure without it
I use multi factor authentication in the office. TPM is a must for next generation web apps to store tokens and get rid of insecure passwords. For example LinkedIn may asks if it can grant access to your Gmail contacts? Like your phone a request to access a resource is stored with tokens on a TPM chip. No passwords required and security is at a fine grained level as the secret for the token being generated for each access list is separate and stores on a tpm like encryption chip. Not on your hard drive or even in the apps code. Windows 11 uses a pin to log in on my system. It also supports facial recognition but this needs TPM to implement to store these secure token with your fingerprints, pin, credit card numbers, face, etc. This is pretty essential in 2020s technology.
This is why I am in the minority promoting TpM requirement. There is no other way to be secure without it
I know how TPM works, I don't need a lesson. 
Granted for companies and business machines TPM is used, and maybe some people use it and not knowing they use it if their machine does encryption.
There are a lot of machines out there that either don't have TPM and even if they do, and it is switched on, it is not used. This computer I am using now have TPM, but it is not turned on, I have no reason to turn it on, because as I said above, nothing uses it. If this was a laptop and I took it outside a lot, then yes, I would turn it on and use bitlocker. The only encryption thing I use is Vera crypt for a couple of USB flash drives and that don't use TPM.
the lack of passwords have been ongoing for years and yet still we use passwords, I think you will be fighting the long fight on this. Where I work, we have handsets and I still have to log into that with a password and a very long username. Computers, still password
While phones have cut down the use of passwords with biometrics, passwords are still used in the background.
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