US Surpasses 800,000 COVID-19 Deaths

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      The air around us, well, maybe aside of downtown New York during rush hour, contains about 21% O2. A breath of air that leaves you contains about 15% O2. So even inhaling what someone else just exhaled will contain sufficient O2 to keep you going.

      Else mouth-to-mouth wouldn't exactly make a lot of sense, would it?

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        Turns out mouth to mouth has been abandoned for chest compressions, so in the end, it didn't make much sense. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov]

• Look at the reported death rate from 2019, then compare to 2020 and 2021. There's a big bump that stands out, and any amount of handwaving of "they were old and feeble and would have died anyway" doesn't hold water.

  • Because of course the banning of "elective"(read things that won't kill you in the next week) surgeries and lockdowns drastically changing peoples mental state and thus susceptibility to disease, drug abuse, and suicide would have had ZERO effect on the death toll.

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      I'm just pushing back against the incorrect notion that covid-19 is not serious and all the stats are bogus and should be ignored. It's a real thing, real people have died of all ages, and it's not just like the flu. If that's not your stance then ok, but there are too many here on slashdot who've bought into the idea that it's a hoax. If CDC has numbers, I trust them more than any armchair slashdot epidemiologist to get the numbers right and to not throw politics into it.

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        Like many lay people who do not know much about medicine, you may be labouring under the misapprehension that flu is not a deadly disease. It can be.

        The 1967-8 and 1967-8 flu epidemics each killed over 100,000 people in the USA alone.

        The popular image of flu is of a really bad cold, plus sickness, headache and perhaps fever, that keeps one at home for a week or two. Whereas the popular image of Covid-19 is of a deadly plague that cuts people down at all ages. In fact there is much less difference between th

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          Well don't leave us hanging.
          What did QAnon tell you the reason was?

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      Suicides have dropped. But that doesn't matter because you've clearly already decided your own personal truth regardless of data.

    • Except there causes of death you describe are well documented and have not increased. People who died in hospital "with" or "from" covid exhibited respiratory symptoms, definitely not suicide or drug abuse. Also, we know for a fact there has not been increase in suicides, to the contrary they even slightly decreased (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ajp.2021.102695/ [doi.org]). Drug supplies have been reduced sue to travelling restrictions and prices increased (https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/06/1066992/ [un.org]) and the drug that increased was cannabis (https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/06/1094672/ [un.org]), which is not known to cause deaths.

      Lockdowns caused a 40% reduction in traffic fatalities (https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-provisional-results-2020/the-impact-of-lockdown-on-reported-road-casualties-great-britain-provisional-results-2020/ [www.gov.uk]) and 50% reduction in sports accidents (https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-020-80309-x/ [doi.org]) and obviously suppressed work accidents.

      Reduction in diagnosis of cancer and HIV are a big concern for next years, but have likely not caused increased deaths this year as these diseases evolve slowly.

      If anything, lockdowns biased the statistics towards lower mortality. The fact that we did observed excess death in a lockdown situation (with same or fewer suicides than before), is evidence that something, let's call it a virus, has been killing us.

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        I'm not saying it's aliens...

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        I wonder how the pandemic has affected medical related bankruptcies.

        Someone posted a bill for intubation and 60 days in ICU due to COVID on Twitter. $3.4 million.

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          Judging from reading the average posting on The Herman Cain Awards [reddit.com] the progression is like this:

          Posting anti-vax memes
          Grandstanding
          Reporting about hospitalization
          Asking for prayers
          Posting the GoFundMe page to pay for cremation

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            He's dead and you still need to bash him. What is wrong with you?

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              Wrong? This is education.

              Shortly before Cain came down with Covid, there is a photo of him at a Trump Rally, smiling, proud, socially close, maskless.

              Shortly after? He ded. It's like safe sex. It's like wearing seat belts or motorcycle helmets. There were so many simple precautions he could have taken. He defiantly took none, and like I said, he ded.

              Sometimes the purpose of a person's life is to serve as a warning to others.

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      I think the technical term is collateral damage, and yes it is real, but it is a small fraction of the casualties of war.

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      Talk for yourself, my mood and general well being went way UP in 2020.

      Best year of my life.

      Big thanks to all the anti-vax loonies that keep the ball rolling. Thanks for adding to my comfort, your sacrifice was not in vain.

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        I surely lost any and all sympathy for them. At first it was like "Come on! The test period showed that the vaccines are safe - certainly safer than dying from it".

        Then it was "Seriously - taking malaria meds for a viral infection? Sigh.." Then it was "cattle dewormer and gargling with Betadine? And pointing to a retracted pseudo study that showed Toxic levels of Ivermectin slowed the reproduction of the virus. Yeah, sodium hypochlorite does a number on it too.

        Finally, I came to the realization that th

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    I just lost a good friend this past weekend. He was mid 50's robust and fit.

    He thought his good health and condition was all he needed to have Covid just be a case of the sniffles. No vaccines for this guy. And masks were fro cowards and didn't work anyhow.

    I guess the golden lining was he only lasted a week in the hospital, so it wasn't too much torture. Leaves behind friends and family wrestling with the dual condition of sadness and deep anger for wasting his life that way.

    I think the latest surge i

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  No. Those who died "with" are broken out by the CDC and are not part of the 822k counted as dead due to covid.
  These are people who had car accidents, heart attacks, and other reasons to go to the hospital and then were found to *also* have covid when tested on admission.

  It's easy to find the data in one of the various CDC "weekly mortality reports" that broke out the numbers.

  Not that you probably ever looked.

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    Indeed. Covidiots are the type of idiot that is so convinced they have absolute truth that they eliminate every possibility of ever finding out they could be wrong. These people do not look at data or facts, except for that carefully filtered tiny fraction that can be misinterpreted to say they are right.

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  Ah, those in denial. Always sticking to their fantasies to the very end. Got to admire the stubbornness.

  Down here in the real world, this is an _underestimation_ of the number that died _from_ COVID. The excess mortality numbers are very clear.

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  No you are not.
  Died with and died by are published separate.
  What else would be the point in having two metrics?