Google Urges US To Update Immigration Rules To Attract More AI Talent - Slashdot

Google Urges US To Update Immigration Rules To Attract More AI Talent

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  This has nothing to do with differences in education systems, and everything to do with paying employees less.

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      If you lived in the USA, you would know this isnt true.
      
      And if you really wanted to address the issue, its weird you keep going after those that wish to immigrate instead of the businesses that illegally employ those that are not legally here in the USA.
      
      So instead of demonizing people looking to get out of a scary place, you would demonize those here in the USA that exploit these people.
      
      Seems an odd position for you to take, to slap down those that are already beaten and bloody on the floor. But hey,

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        If you lived in the USA, you would know this isnt true.

        I live in the US and the southern border is indeed WIDE OPEN.

        Invasion is an accurate term.

        Seems an odd position for you to take, to slap down those that are already beaten and bloody on the floor. But hey, you do you there anonymous coward that isnt even from the USA.

        I wasn't the OP, but I guaran-fucking-tee you I'm a US citizen. And the majority of those crossing the border are not legitimate asylum seekers...they are ONLY coming here to earn money

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            Turns out the natives in a sovereign country have some rights (at least on paper). They don't have to let them in, train them, or stop whining. See how that works? How about change some of the incentive structures for both the immigrants and the locals to balance the system for everyone and not just pivot on some bleeding heart unrealistic principle of Kumbaya.

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            LMAO. Nobody is here because of climate change. They are one and all economic migrants. They are being aided in the the trip, they aren't saving for a lifetime to get a shot. Most of them have no skills that are even usable here except theft and drug dealing. We don't have jobs generating anywhere near the speed to support these economic losers. Sell your crazy somewhere else.

        • And the majority of those crossing the border are not legitimate asylum seekers...they are ONLY coming here to earn money.

          
          
          Then perhaps all those hotels, golf courses, landscaping companies, restaurants, home builders, construction companies, meat packing plants, farmers, ranchers, wineries and who knows who else, stop hiring them. Problem solved.

          
          
          Here's a question: when was the last time Abbott crowed about any employer being fined or even jailed for hiring illegals?

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            Majority as in "53%" of 2019 applicants were ultimately denied. We were already 4 years behind on our asylum processing, but the numbers from DHS are fuzzy enough that we could also say "roughly 50% of all asylum applicants adjudicated are approved". Unless you can read minds however, you have no idea what their true motivation was for applying for asylum. There were 455,000 accepted asylum applications in 2023 compare to 67,406 in 2019, so that backlog is going to get much worse. By the time we get aro

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              If only one group who created a bill that would have increased numbers to help with this problem didnt vote against it because an orange wanted it as a political football.
              
              This disingenuous bullshit falls flat on its face when you see that kind of political meandering from an orange who cant even stay awake in court or stop shitting himself from all the drugs he takes to keep himself awake.

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          No it's not. And you know it's not, because you correctly identity the broken asylum system as the problem, and those people aren't sneaking across an undefended border. They're SEEKING OUT Border Patrol officers so they can make their asylum claim.

          The law entitles you to a HEARING the moment you ask for asylum. Until that hearing occurs you are legally entitled to remain in the country. Why aren't you mad at the politicians that starved the system of resources instead of the desperate migrants who are

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          I too live on the southern Border.
          
          Your full of shit.

• It's not about shitting on smart people. How many exceptionally smart (the US Government's term is "exceptionally gifted") people do you think got into this country via H-1Bs? Very few. The vast majority are brought over here after a company posts a job at a massively below market salary, which goes unfilled, because duh, then they whine to Uncle Sam about a labor shortage and bring an Indian over to take the aforementioned job at the below market wage.

  It's a shitty deal for everyone, the immigrant included, because now they're held hostage to a potentially shitty job that a native born citizen could walk away from. Do you think it's for nothing that the vast majority of people who remained at Twitter after the Musk takeover were immigrants on work visas? Do you think the average American would sign up to work 80+ hour weeks for that asshole, knowing their reward for giving up their entire personal/familial life would probably be to get laid off anyway at a later date? No, they quit in droves, but the H-1Bs didn't have that option because quitting meant being promptly deported.

  It's modern day indentured servitude and the only people who want it are MBA assholes looking to squeeze more blood from the labor stone, err, I mean, extract more efficiencies from a dynamic global market.

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    I agree with you in general. But this article is specifically about AI talent. That's different than the legions of grunt commodity folks you are referencing.

    • Sure it is. And before that it was about cybersecurity talent. Before that it was about development talent. Before that it was about networking talent.

      The only consistent theme here is there's never enough on-shore talent, so we need to bring in more off-shore talent, and surely their willingness to work for lower wages AND have their permission to be in the country dependent on the whims of their employer has nothing to do with it?

      I've known exactly ONE person that qualified as exceptionally gifted in my career who came into this country. She worked for Corning and helped develop Gorilla Glass. She came here from Finland, not India, and if Corning had abused her the way the tech industry abuses H-1Bs she'd simply have gone back home to her highly developed country with a better social safety net than ours. The law already allows corporations to bring in such exceptionally gifted people to fill roles like that, roles you can't fill with an off-the-shelf job posting and education. So what's Google bitching about?

      Oh, that's right, they're laying off thousands of people despite being massively profitable while simultaneously whining that the labor market isn't meeting their needs.

      This is all about screwing over labor. Nothing more, nothing less. I'll support making it easier for Google to do this if the law loosening the restrictions they believe are problematic also creates a new class of visa that isn't tied to employment, with the original sponsoring employer compelled to pay 100% of all public services consumed by the immigrant for 10 years after arrival, and the finalization/upholding of the recent rule prohibiting the enforcement of non-compete clauses. So sure, sponsor that immigrant, but you don't get to hold them hostage, they can move about the labor force as any American could, and if they end up on public services YOU get to pay the cost.

      Mandate a system like that and watch how fast Google and ilk discover the vast majority of talent they need is available on-shore.

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        Again, I don't necessarily disagree. But I still maintain it's about the difference between the average masses and the elite. If you want a bunch of average folks, I agree that you do not need to look externally. There are plenty within the borders.

        Both things can be true. There are plenty of folks to fill "most" positions. And for some niche spaces, there are not.

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          Then I repeat my statement that current law already allows Google to bring in the exceptionally gifted, just as Corning was able to bring in my friend, so what's the problem? If there is a person who is genuinely in the top 0.1% of a given field, you can get them into this country, under existing law, and if they're truly that good at what they do you aren't going to be able to abuse them as H-1Bs are commonly abused.

          I'm sorry, I just zero faith in the tech industry as a whole and Google in particular. T

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            I completely agree with you on this thread. If we need these people so bad, why can't they have rights to become Americans more easily? Oh, yeah, then they could leave, sue, or properly negotiate. These mega-corps cannot have that! I've had droves of Indians that worked for me. Some were good, some where bad, but the one universal thing I could count on was bad behavior from their upstream contracting firms. In one case I had to help an employee get his paycheck back from an H1B firm that'd sucked it strai

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              I lived in the Southern USA for 5 years as an adult and 3 as a teenager. It's depressing how much MODERN DAY politics in this South still relies on these tactics. We'll convince poor whites to vote against their own economic self-interest by turning them against the n***ers. Yeah, you're living in a trailer park, and your oldest kid just died from an opioid overdose, but at least you're not black.

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                Yep, it's divide and conquer. It worked great for the Romans and everyone else who's tried it. Powerful folks aren't very creative. They just do what works. They will do damn near anything to prevent unity and cooperation by the lower classes.